Irish Rangers

[bigman]

Does anyone have any information about operations carried out by the ARW?
Have they ever worked with the ERU on operations?

[Commando69]

Im not sure but id assume that most if not all of their operations would be kept quiet by the secrets act.

[bigman]

The secrets act covers a lot of things and very few of them are kept secret. We know all about operations carried out by other countries special forces so I don`t see how Ireland has managed to be the only country that can keep things secret? Somebody must know something.

[yellowjacket]

Bigman, you're new here so you're getting the benefit of the doubt...

It's not for you to decide what is the appropriate level of security. Keep this line of questioning up and you'll end up with a ban. The same goes for anyone who discloses any inappropriate information.

[Frank Aiken]

Rember a pic of rangers getting there service medals for east teamor, they were given out by the Australian ambasator. It said under the artical that the rangers were wearing face paint/camo cream beacuse some of then were involved in under cover work and there idenities were protected.
Any body remeber this?

Also remeber a few weeks ago a rifle range was raided by the garda in wexford (i think) do you realy thing the garda went in a arested them? and the garda had servelience watching over the area, i don't think so more like the rangers taook part in this but it was never relised to the press.

[Bravo20]

We only know about other country's special forces ops that they release into the general public.

[FMolloy]

That's pure speculation Frank.

[ICUN]

The ARW, by their nature, are secret. Any stuff that does get into the public domain isn't at all detailed and doesn't reveal anything important ie: the recent success in that competition or the East Timor mission.

I don't think anyone on this site would know anything about Ranger operations as we are mostly reservists

[bigman]

What I was asking was simply does anyone know of any operations within Ireland that have been carried out by ARW.
Frank the SDU and the NSU carry out all of this type of surveillance work and investigative work and the ERU supports in making arrests.
If the ARW was involved in any of these type of operations I can`t see how their involvement would be not come up in court cases.
Also I have never heard any mention of the ARW in an phoblacht(excuse the spelling) or in any other Republican publication and as many of these exaggerate things already I think that we would never hear the end of ARW involvement.

[Frank Aiken]

If you wanted somebody to watch over the activites of subversives in a rural setting who you you pic? military or police, who would have the fire power if things went bad?
What distance do the garda practice firing at?
What distance does the army practice at?

I read before that the ERU have a "combat" style uniform for operating in a green enviroment? But they train with the rangers so they might carry out operations with the ranges, rangers as back up etc?

No real evendence i guess so every body is just guessing!

[bigman]

I think that the garda can deal with subversive groups very well on their own. I can see the benefit of ARW firepower if something went wrong but the problem with that is the last thing we want to do is actually kill a subversive as this will be just make them a hero and gain them support.
Also would ARW firepower be necessary against subversives as they usually don`t put up any fight against the southern authorities? Dead gardai are still causing the provisonals a headache so they will not purposely kill Irish security forces.

[Goldie fish]

The Provo scum have killed irish soldiers in the past and payed no heed to it. It is their policy not to engage free state security forces.
Your knowledge of security matters is surprisingly good,which arouses a certain amount of suspicion in my mind. I agree with YJ here. Move on. Some things are not open for discussion on a public board. lets leave the ARW with the mistique they have. They done an excellent job in Timor and won the respect of their peers,and regularly engaged enemy forces,with no press reports.
Just cos the press do not hear,does not mean things dont happen.

[bigman]

Goldie you have a very a terribble mind!
When have the provisionals or anybody for that matter killed an Irish soldier?
The only one I know of is the private who was killed along with a trainee garda and I now believe that recent investigations point to a garda detective killing them and not the IRA.
Have the DF suffered other casualties at home?

[Goldie fish]

There is no evidence to that effect. It was conjecture and speculation. A recent book about Gardai who died in the line of duty explained it much better. While gardai did fire on an unmarked patrol car (injuring a garda and an arrested occupant,who subsequently sued the state) the Soldier was killed by a round fired from an AR18.
No apologies.

[Frank Aiken]

Have the army stopped doing armered duites with the garda since then?, ie both garda & army armed?
IRA have often took on the DF and garda, look at all the bank raids.

we sould leve this subject alone! not teh place