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    thedollar
    Lieutenant

  • thedollar
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    Now that everybody has calmed down, I would just like to make known my opinion that I believe recruits should be forced to have a "dry" camp, after the displays I witnessed at annual camp!

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  • Come-quickly
    Commandant

  • Come-quickly
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    "Camp" is not there to be great craic in the pub

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  • DeV
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    The situation with regards to PDF recruit training & alcohol, depends on where they do it and what unit is running it. I know people who were allowed home every weekend during recruit training and others who had weekend passes only 2/3 times during the 16 weeks.

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  • Nikolai
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    hi hi

    I am aware that this was said a while ago but here goes
    Personally I think recruits should be allowed drink (in moderation) for one night of their first camp
    When I was on my first camp anyone could drink any night (except monday cause we were out on the ground). Now allthough it makes little diff to me because i dont we were still able to and on most nights barring i believe 2 we could go out into the town and did not have to return till 2 and 02:30. 03:30 on the final evening. It was bloody brilliant.:D . And we were still able to do our job properly the next and take in the tech crap.:D
    Phrases like "oooww my head" spring to mind:D

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  • Come-quickly
    Commandant

  • Come-quickly
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    I wonder how it would affect our training if Reservists were not allowed to wear their uniforms before entering or after leaving the barracks.
    Obviously there would be the issue of changing facilities and i.d cards, but surely thay can be handled in the reorg.
    The PR benefit alone of not having fatties and apemen wandering the streets in DPM would be worth it.
    Certainly it would put a stop to the issue of drinking in uniform outside of barracks, for some of the worst walters time wasters and space takers in the reserve strutting about in the uniform is a major part of their buzz (they certainly dont get it from putting in effort) so a policy of not wearing the uniform in public (maybe not even taking it home, laundry parades?) would also unburden us of many such individuals.

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  • kermit
    Closed Account

  • kermit
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    Recruits are for the most part, under the age of 18, and thus are not allowed, by law, in the mess after 9pm. Although I have yet to see it enforced in a Barracks...

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  • warlord
    Corporal

  • warlord
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    I have to say that I find it an utter disgrace that a PDF recruit has to do 18 weeks of basic training before he can call the uniform his own and in that time he his not allowed drink. Then there's the RDF, who do 1 week and who can be found in the mess nearly every night. This argument that it helps bonding and is good for morale is utter crap,PDF recruits get to know each other back in there rooms while going over notes and cleaning the lines and getting kit sorted for the next day.

    Alot of Irish blood was spilt in the past for us to have the honour of wearing the military uniform of a sovereign independant state, don't disrespect it by thinking that just because you're RDF your not bound by the same code of conduct as PDF personnel. When you put that uniform on you are a member of the Irish Defence Forces and you should act accordingly.

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  • DeV
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    Under no circumstances should recruits be allowed to drink outside the barracks, as if left unsupervised, there is likely to be huge problems.

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  • Rommel
    Der Wustenfuchs

  • Rommel
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    Forgive the length of the post but I feel strongly on this matter . . .


    On an ordinary RDF recruit camp, Recruits should finish up late to cover as much as the syllabus as possible, but still be able to have a couple of sociables with their new colleagues before lights out, and also get talking to a few older heads about the organisation and what it has to offer.

    How many people would go on their first camp if they were told they could not have a couple of hours to socialise and the crack that goes with it ?

    Be Honest - How many would come back without experiencing the camaraderie of a few shared stories and nights out ? Would you yourself keep coming back year after year to the same old syllabus, if it wasn’t for a bit of a social life in a different town in the evenings ?

    Moderation is the key, e.g. no out town every night for recruits, (if there’s a half decent mess) no shorts etc, and instill in them the responsibility of having a soldier like manner off duty so no one, PDF or otherwise, have reason to be embarrassed by their conduct.


    . . . Reading all the above posts on the matter, the whole argument has again boiled down to the RDF/FCA -v- PDF debate. . .


    There's little point comparing the RDF recruit training to PDF recruits, - its Mars versus Venus. The RDF is merely a taste of military life . . . and all its joys.

    I've 17 years in the FCA/RDF, and many courses under my belt, of which I've topped one or two, but I don’t and never will consider myself "a Soldier".

    I'm a proud skilled civilian with some military training that will be enough to bolster the military in the event of an emergency, and get me round a military barracks, its duties and its courses, in a soldier like manner in peacetime, with the ability to stand up to any PDF who thinks he can take liberties just because I'm RDF/FCA., yet I’m ready and willing to keep learning and working alongside any PDF willing to work alongside me.
    - In return the experience broadens my horizons and outlooks, but it doesn’t make me a soldier. (Nor do I want to be one, if I did, I'd have joined the PDF)

    Reserve armies the world over never have, and never will, match the level of their professional counterparts, without full time, long term training, otherwise they wouldn’t be a reserve. Whole time professionals will always be a step ahead of part time amateurs, the PDF / RDF is no different, and both PDF/RDF should accept and ‘get over this’. (Granted a few enlightened people on both sides have)

    However, I presume, and hope, everyone who joins one of the new integrated units of the RDF will experience PDF recruit training for real, . . . . and rightly so. (After all its a back door, exchequer saving, quasi-PDF for people who will be happy to accept even less employment rights than the yellow packs have), but at least it will be an individuals choice to join and put up with that . . .as it is for a PDF recruit.

    P.S. Before I’m berated / nitpicked for any of the above by inexperienced (but granted enthusiastic) RDF/FCA NCO’s . . . . .I once thought what you think now.

    i.e.

    What you are . . . . I once was . . .

    What I am you will be . . . .

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  • Hang-Fire
    what?

  • Hang-Fire
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    Hmm...

    But surely it helps with morale! And definitely helps the recruits get to know the 2* and 3*s with whom they'll be grouped after the camp...

    They all know not to drink too much, and if they do, their Cpls are easily able to bring it up with them in the morning!
    Hang-Fire
    what?
    Last edited by Hang-Fire; 5 September 2004, 19:57.

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  • Goldie fish
    Tim Horgan

  • Goldie fish
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    Jimmy C: I would prefer if you kept your criticism of my comments to the board,instead of Private messages.
    If you served as long as I have served,and witnessed what I have witnessed,you would agree with me.
    The RDF is not a social club.

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  • Guest
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  • barry sheehan
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    Pdf recruits are not allowed to drink until the night of their pass out parade.Most platoons are allowed an hour in the caner to watch the tv,drink minerals etc.This however is dependant on how they perform during the day and if there arent late lessons to be completed.Smoking is actively discoureged by most training staff.

    I dont agree that recruits on rdf camps should be allowed to drink.Last night or otherwise.All this does is encourages them too go wild on the last night and digrce themselves.Nine times out of ten the pdf either see or hear this and it colours our attitude to the rdf.So really you are shooting yourselves in the foot.

    I recruits want to drink let them do it after camp,on their own time,where the pdf cant see them and where its their own problem.:o

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  • Groundhog
    Chief of the Diet Tribe

  • Groundhog
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    It was the PDF who had ths policy. I don't know how far it went,but basically you done all your drinking and smoking during your weekends off,if you had them.

    No recruit is allowed drink during the week. If he or she gets a weekend off they can do what they like at home. I've only heard of one instance where smoking was totally banned. Usually it's just curtailed, but I had one experience of a recruit who applied for his discharge because he wasn't allowed a smoke. One of the things that surprised me about recruits is the amount of them that do smoke. What happened in the 80's and 90's to all those "Smoking is bad for you ads."

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  • Goldie fish
    Tim Horgan

  • Goldie fish
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    Originally posted by How Ya Doin?
    Goldie what recruit camp were you on that didnt allow recruits drink or smoke?
    I never said I was on one. It was the PDF who had ths policy. I don't know how far it went,but basically you done all your drinking and smoking during your weekends off,if you had them. It promoted a healthier lifestyle. The RDF unit I was in at the time considered it,but found it to be unworkable in the wishy washy cry baby outfit that is the RDF

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  • How Ya Doin?
    C/S

  • How Ya Doin?
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    Goldie what recruit camp were you on that didnt allow recruits drink or smoke?

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