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    Big Al
    Ex-bagger

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    going around in circles here, enough

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  • Eddie Dillon
    Nijmegen Neanderthal

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    Originally posted by Ex-soldier
    I agree totally....The PDF are well trained soldiers who think alike and even the dumbest, clumsiest or laziest of them is going to do exactly as he is trained to do. More important....everybody with him knows exactly how every member of that detail is going to react to a given situation as it happens.

    The same cannot be said for any unit of the RDF no matter how dedicated they are. This dedication ALONE is not enough to make them capable of defending themselves let alone anything or anybody else. This may seem harsh but most RDF units are not even capable of running away properly.

    I am a firm believer that every member of the reserve should undergo the same recruit training as the PDF before returning to their respective unit as a reservist and then do the 1 night a wekk and 1 week-end a month routine. Until this happens, they cannot be expected to do the job of a professional soldier.
    Dead right. 2 hours of training a week is f*ck all when it comes down to it. Until training such as the army recruit training is introduced, ATCP is out of the question

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  • ELVIS
    Sex Consultant

  • ELVIS
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    Originally posted by Bam Bam
    Same would happen if it was PDF, if the attack was planned well enough.

    And also no-one knows how they'd react if fired at in a real attack not RDF not PDF not ARW NO MATTER HOW WELL TRAINED YOU ARE.

    The RDF would be well capable of cash escort duties, christ they do guard duties at barracks around the country.

    The RDF would excel at ATCP and would be seen in a much better light by the people of this country.

    GIVE US THE LEGISLATION FOR TIME OFF FROM WORK AND WE'LL SHOW YOU WHAT WE CAN DO.
    your living in dream land man! I do security duties from time to time as well, so does the majority of the RDF(=NSR+AR by the way) but I wouldn't reckon my chances against a well planned attack with a couple of dodgy reserves backing me up. Maybe its monopoly money your considering for escort duties??

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  • petergriffin
    Grizzled Rancher

  • petergriffin
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    Why would anyone wish to volunteer for CIT or Prisoner Escort duties, either PDF or Reserves? It is a tedious, civilian task which is not really in the remit of a military force. Deploying troops, full or part time, to do the job of a police force is bad policy. The use of military force, or threat thereof, by a military against its own people, even if they are potential criminals is practically unheard of in western Europe. Anyone who has ever been on an escort will tell you its not something that you want to do more than once, and really its a matter for the police and Brinks. Its just "busy-work" for us, and diminishes real soldiering.

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  • JAG
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    Originally posted by Ex-soldier
    I am a firm believer that every member of the reserve should undergo the same recruit training as the PDF before returning to their respective unit as a reservist and then do the 1 night a wekk and 1 week-end a month routine. Until this happens, they cannot be expected to do the job of a professional soldier.
    Hear hear.

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  • Itchy
    Philomath

  • Itchy
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    Originally posted by Ex-soldier
    ....everybody with him knows exactly how every member of that detail is going to react to a given situation as it happens. The same cannot be said for any unit of the RDF no matter how dedicated they are
    Absoutly not. The people i have lived and trained with (granted the regular attenders) are fantastic and I truely would fight for theirs and my life no matter the situation, duty or not.

    Originally posted by Ex-soldier
    ....I do believe that the dedication of the RDF far exceeds that of the PDF in that they volunteer for everything they do whereas the PDF are told to do what they do and in most cases they would rather be doing something else.
    Yes it does and if the authoritys were to utilise this point then they would be on to a winner.

    Originally posted by Ex-soldier
    This dedication ALONE is not enough to make them capable of defending themselves let alone anything or anybody else. This may seem harsh but most RDF units are not even capable of running away properly.
    See first point. Granted I have seen people that should not have a water pistol but for the reserve SOLDIERS I know, I would have them over some PDF that I have seen.

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  • Bam Bam
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    No offence but I think a well planned attack would mangle an FCA escort. It would be inviting criminals to attempt a robbery
    Same would happen if it was PDF, if the attack was planned well enough.

    And also no-one knows how they'd react if fired at in a real attack not RDF not PDF not ARW NO MATTER HOW WELL TRAINED YOU ARE.

    The RDF would be well capable of cash escort duties, christ they do guard duties at barracks around the country.

    The RDF would excel at ATCP and would be seen in a much better light by the people of this country.

    GIVE US THE LEGISLATION FOR TIME OFF FROM WORK AND WE'LL SHOW YOU WHAT WE CAN DO.

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  • yooklid
    6-40509-04014-7

  • yooklid
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    Originally posted by ELVIS
    FCA does not equal RDF


    No offence but I think a well planned attack would mangle an FCA escort. It would be inviting criminals to attempt a robbery.
    Or infiltrating the RDF...

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  • Ex-soldier
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    I agree totally....The PDF are well trained soldiers who think alike and even the dumbest, clumsiest or laziest of them is going to do exactly as he is trained to do. More important....everybody with him knows exactly how every member of that detail is going to react to a given situation as it happens. The same cannot be said for any unit of the RDF no matter how dedicated they are. I do believe that the dedication of the RDF far exceeds that of the PDF in that they volunteer for everything they do whereas the PDF are told to do what they do and in most cases they would rather be doing something else. This dedication ALONE is not enough to make them capable of defending themselves let alone anything or anybody else. This may seem harsh but most RDF units are not even capable of running away properly. This is not their fault. It is the fault of the ridiculous system that doesn't give them the training they so obviously require and in most cases desire. I am a firm believer that every member of the reserve should undergo the same recruit training as the PDF before returning to their respective unit as a reservist and then do the 1 night a wekk and 1 week-end a month routine. Until this happens, they cannot be expected to do the job of a professional soldier.

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  • ELVIS
    Sex Consultant

  • ELVIS
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    Originally posted by RDF
    And if they want the (fca) RDF to have a better name they should give us important jobs to make us more knowen
    FCA does not equal RDF

    Originally posted by RDF
    i think luckly Ireland isnt yet at the stage where the robbers will be dumb enough to stop a truck have a fire fight with pdf(rdf) blow open the truck and try get away
    No offence but I think a well planned attack would mangle an FCA escort. It would be inviting criminals to attempt a robbery.
    ELVIS
    Sex Consultant
    Last edited by ELVIS; 6 April 2005, 23:03.

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  • ARNGScout
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    I seem to recall doing escorts for money when on camp - this was back in the old days when we got paid in cash - we did our own escorts into the nearest city to draw the money from the bank.

    If it's organized properly the reserves can do it. It's not rocket science and I wish people would stop talking about it as if it is .

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  • How Ya Doin?
    C/S

  • How Ya Doin?
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    Yeah it wont happen for a long while yet. For starters most people do not trust technology enough and they are not computer literate. They would rather hide it under the matress than look at it on a computer screen.

    Anyway it will just breed a new type of robber. The hacker, which i reckon would be even harder to find than your average muppet walkin into the post office with a motorbike helmet on.

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  • RDF
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    Yeah very true in a few years to come but i cant see it for a while, money will all be all done electronicly but i dont think the lay out is around yet to support it. ANd there has been a number of robberies lately but think of america they get alot of theres moneytucks robbed and they still sticking to the old way the way they deal with is just add more security from start to finish, no matter how much is been moved, stop any chance of it been robbed full stop, cause i think luckly Ireland isnt yet at the stage where the robbers will be dumb enough to stop a truck have a fire fight with pdf(rdf) blow open the truck and try get away so i think full time security from gardai for small amounts to pdf/rdf for big amounts all the time from pick up to drop off will stop the problem and for that they will need RDF and i think most 2* up are well able to do the job maybe the should try do a day training for the job of transport of money to pass a test to be able to do it along with shoot days etc
    Last edited by RDF; 6 April 2005, 11:58.

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  • JAG
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    Taking a scenic detour from the topic of this thread.

    It occurs to me, partly because I'm reaching the end of "The Code Book" by Simon Singh, that the whole cash escort thing is going to dissappear along with hard cash in the not too distant future.

    Think about it. A massive cash robbery in Belfast, followed by a couple more in Dublin, not to mention petrol stations and corner shops that get turned over every other day of the week. Issues of money-laundering for terrorists/criminals.

    Most (if not all) shops now have telephone lines. Many taxis have even credit card facilities.

    How much opposition would there be to the substantial removal of cash from the Irish economy?

    What is the likelihood of a government guaranteed electronic payment system- this is not dissimilar to the way land registration operates in this country, and the basic of that system were laid some 130 years ago. Initially, for example, social welfare payments would only be spendable electonically.

    e-money. Secure, guaranteed, traceable, and difficult to remove to the black economy, thus safeguarding governments revenue. Doesn't require armed guards, or any other guards.

    It's only a matter of time- PAYPAL, anyone?

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  • Goldie fish
    Tim Horgan

  • Goldie fish
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    Originally posted by Goldie fish
    Its Aid To Civil Power. Something the RDF do not do,until there is a change in legislation.
    At risk of repeating myself....

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