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  • Should the RDF get ATCP roles

    The Burning question seems to be should the RDF start having more common day to day roles as a part of the Defence Forces, well, whats everyones opinion?

    Personally i think it would be a great boost to the RDF showing the Public that we do more than an excuse to get cheap drink
    58
    Yes They should get ATCP
    81.03%
    47
    No, it should be left to the PDF
    15.52%
    9
    Don't care either way
    3.45%
    2

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  • #2
    According to the RDF Review Implementation Plan, one of the roles of the RDF will be "Provision of armed escorts". Will that include ATCP ops.

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    • #3
      RDF personnell & PDF personnell should fill identical functions. Joe Public watching a cash escort should not be able to tell the difference between permanent and reserve. Neither should the Lt commanding the escort.

      The role of the RDF should be to (A) supplement the PDF with trained soldiers without the necessity of paying that soldier a full time wage and (B) in times of need to mobilise entire units without the necessity of paying the members of that unit full time wages.

      Logically it's easier to utilise RDF at home, including cash escorts, VCP etc. The working week is flexible enough to schedule this on individuals days off.
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      • #4
        I agree all together The fca didnt have the best of image with the public and had many nick names ie fools carrying armes etc and i think given us more day to day important jobs will gives us a better image yeah maybe most dont know the diff between pdf&rdf but people will find out and maybe more people will join oh and to the point of people working and cant do it well dont theres many off us who are students etc and can get time off and if they make a roll give a good warning of when your needed im sure we could get people to turn up on the day

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        • #5
          i'm sur willie O'Dea and the powers that be in the DF will be delighted to see all those who are prepared to give up the free time to fill in for roles that te army are currently providing. He must be rubbing his hands in glee as the RDf don't qualify for any of the allowances currently payable to army lads carrying out these duties.

          How will the employers feel about people taking time of to fill these positions?

          How many people are prepared to put their chances of protion in their full time positions in jeopardy just to fill out the numbers in an ever dwindling army?

          How will guys in the army feel about reservist taking the bread from their tables?

          the whole intergration thing is a minefield and it seems not to many here have looked into the pitfalls regarding their own futures outside the DF...how mnay feel that it would be a back door into the PDF without having to go through the rigours of PDF enlistment?

          If people feel that this is an option forget about it....we are playing right into the hands of a cash strapped DF by offering our services for free. This in the fullness of time will lead to a massive run down in the Df and this will be reflected in the actual funding and training vailable to te RDF.

          We ae about to surrender our volunteer reserve staus to the DF free of charge and the crazy thing is people fail to see the reprocussions this will cause .

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          • #6
            Originally posted by hptmurphy
            We ae about to surrender our volunteer reserve staus to the DF free of charge and the crazy thing is people fail to see the reprocussions this will cause .

            Be careful of what you wish for ....you just might get it.
            The volunteer reserve status should be surrendered.

            How about establishing a professional reserve status?

            National Guard and Territorial Army personnell in Iraq & Afghanistan sure as hell don't give their weekends for free. A TA recruit can make €125 from a weekend away, less tax. €200 a month after tax (assuming 2 w/e per month) is car-loan money, holiday money, or rainy day fund money.

            Incentives are needed to bring out the best in reservists. Army cooking hasn't worked, and neither has telling everyone how great they are for showing up.

            Cash is king.

            New thread idea....
            Take these men and women for your example.
            Like them, remember that posterity can only
            be for the free; that freedom is the sure
            possession of those who have the
            courage to defend it.
            ***************
            Liberty is being free from the things we don't like in order to be slaves of the things we do like.
            ***************
            If you're not ready to die for it, put the word freedom out of your vocabulary.

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            • #7
              totally agree with you murphy...apart from the extra training required(would we get paid for same?) legislation re employment would need to be changed. also the callibre of anyone doing these proposed cash escorts would have to be stringently vetted. i myself would be interested in such duties, but only after a proper period of training and proper renumeration and employment rights guaranteed...otherwise the whole idea is pie in the sky. btw this is my first post...excellent site gents...keep up the good work!

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              • #8
                The mantra is "value for money for the taxpayer", so if there is a cheaper alternative, then it will be done.
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                • #9
                  Wheres the option for let private security guards with guns do it?
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                  • #10
                    I dont like the idea of private security guards. then we turn into america nearly every shop has on and we all know how bad security guards are they think there a law of there own this would make them think there gardai and prob would be trigger happy to if something happend. if the get rdf to do it they would pay us jus like camps etc and i think we should get a training course one weekend to deal with cash escort so we know what where doing. And also turning the rdf into a national guard is such a good idea[QUOTE=JAG]National Guard and Territorial Army QUOTE]

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DeV
                      According to the RDF Review Implementation Plan, one of the roles of the RDF will be "Provision of armed escorts". Will that include ATCP ops.

                      glad to see that people are posting their opinion on this, is it actually known if the RDF will be doin these Cash Escorts and how long before they will be training people for such duties
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                      • #12
                        I agree with most of whats said here.We should find common ground with all that has been mentioned. If RDF personnel are to conduct cash escorts, they should be paid the same as PDF personnel to avoid willie taking the cheap route. Proper training and vetting is definitely neccessary and the only time RDF personnel should be asked to carry out these duties is when PDF personnel are prior disposed and it would make good business sense. This could allow them more flexibility in their own training. We shouldnt just limit this to just the good old cash escort though. Other duties should be included to help in the administration aspect of the PDF and take pressure off clerical staff. It could also be an extra source of income and a good recruitment pitch for the RDF.

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                        • #13
                          i dont think that the pdf are going to give up there duity money to some rdf
                          bloke i know in some barracks when rdf did guard for a number of weeks some pdf blokes kicked up so as for cash escort i dont know
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                          • #14
                            [QUOTE=RDF]And also turning the rdf into a national guard is such a good idea
                            Originally posted by JAG
                            National Guard and Territorial Army QUOTE]
                            You couldn't possibly clarify whether that comment is sarcasm or not? I'm easily confused when people appear to agree with me- it doesn't happen often
                            Take these men and women for your example.
                            Like them, remember that posterity can only
                            be for the free; that freedom is the sure
                            possession of those who have the
                            courage to defend it.
                            ***************
                            Liberty is being free from the things we don't like in order to be slaves of the things we do like.
                            ***************
                            If you're not ready to die for it, put the word freedom out of your vocabulary.

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                            • #15
                              The RDF being given ATCP roles would be a double edged sword:

                              Increased public profile of the RDF
                              Gives a role for the RDF and it's actually used/done
                              New & different area of training (may help with retention)

                              Less mandays for camps / courses
                              May be some bad feeling from PDF
                              Security risk???
                              Main RDF personnel are currently not up to it - extra training would be required
                              Personnel may not be available at designated times

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