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  • The situation in similar organisations to RDF

    There are a number of threads which dicuss:
    the time commitment required by members of the RDF,
    payment for training, and
    getting time off from work

    So what is the situation in other similar forces

    UK TA - independant units (eg Infantry)
    27 days (including weeknight parades, weekends, and 15 day camp)
    all training is paid
    employers are not obliged to give members time of for training, only mobilisation

    Australian TA
    1 weekend per month + 2 weeks per year (weeknight parades appear to be optional)
    they are paid for anything over 3 hours
    employers are obliged to give unpaid leave for training
    (inital fulltime training of 7 weeks + trade training of 2 - 7 weeks - which can be done as modules, so long as it is done within 18 months)

    New Zealand TA
    20 days (including weeknight parades, weekends) camps appear to be optional
    all training is paid
    work leave is available with employers consent

    US National Guard
    1 weekend per month + 2 weeks per year
    (althought there is at least 9 weeks full time inital training)
    employers must give unpaid leave for training

    By comparsion - Ireland's RDF
    48 hours of training
    full-time training is paid but most weekends are not
    most members have to use holidays to attend

  • #2
    Canada's reserves seem to have an 'option' to go on camp. I've seen TV adverts for their exercises.

    Driver, tracks, troops.... Drive and adjust!!


    • #3
      i this the aussie or us model looks best on paper....its what i'd personally like to see
      What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.


      • #4
        From what I know, I think the US is a great model. All training is paid and your employer is required to let you off for any training. We have a bloke at work wo was gone for two years on a course and he came back to work as if nothing had happened. I met some TA lads in the Middle East, they told us an employer of certain "protected" jobs could prevent a soldier from mobilization under English law. They said this was typically jobs like firefighters, police officers, prision officers and so on, mostly public sector. If Ireland wants a meaningful reserve they will have to change the laws. Volunteering is good, but you can only ask so much of people. Retained firefighters in Ireland are paid for all their training, so why not the troops?


        • #5
          I can't find definite information on the Canadian Reserves on the net but:

          Depending on their role / unit they have to complete 30 to 45 days training annually (including evenings and every 2nd weekend).
          They are paid for any training over 6 hours.
          Employers are not obliged to give time off for training.

          Recruits undertake a 20 day course followed by another 20 days of skills training.
          Last edited by DeV; 10 April 2005, 22:20.


          • #6
            as gerry maguire me the money....I'll do all the training you want...i'll even sell my soul but please remeber I've got a wife and three kids to provide for and an employer who dosen't give a shit about army reserves and time off. In facT If I look for enough time off the'lly sack me. Great start for a committed reserve.

            Now sell me a committed reserve!
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            • #7
              Anyone in the reserve should be committed long ago...

              To the psychiatric hospital....

              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.


              • #8
                it wont happen because if it does berty will have anoyed the only people he cares about .
                the people with all the money
                Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.


                • #9
                  Just to get my broken record/holistic mantra impression in again:

                  "One weekend per month,
                  One month per year"

                  The level of success of the RDF re-org will be how long it takes before an RDF soldier can deploy in a similar timeframe to his PDF counterpart
                  Take these men and women for your example.
                  Like them, remember that posterity can only
                  be for the free; that freedom is the sure
                  possession of those who have the
                  courage to defend it.
                  Liberty is being free from the things we don't like in order to be slaves of the things we do like.
                  If you're not ready to die for it, put the word freedom out of your vocabulary.


                  • #10
                    I agree with the idea of providing in law for employers to be obliged to release reservists for training etc,but I do not believe there is any will at government level to implement anything of the sort. There is a certain obsession with man-days and the exceeding thereof when dealing with the RDF, and anything which would cause more reservists to present themselves for training camps would be most unwelcome by those who control the purse strings in the DOD(ie the money grubbing civil servants in Renmore!)


                    • #11
                      The system on the continent is even better. Most armies don't have separate RDF units anymore and reservists can do loads of time with their parent unit, including going abroad. For example the German Army does not have RDF force- they're completely integrated. They have a requirement to do at least 2 weeks service a year in one go. No evening or weekend camps though. Only the full time stuff.

                      All duty is paid for. Employers are obliged to give up to 6 months unpaid leave per year for military service. Social Welfare will take care of financial commitments like mortgages and pay the difference between your normal wages and the army pay.

                      I know the Swedish, Norwegian, Austrian, Dutch and French Armies operate a simalar system.


                      • #12
                        You say the US national guard does one weekend a month and two weeks a year. I saw an interesting program the other night about the Arkansas national guard who were called up to Iraq. They were the biggest sham of a reserve force ever! They couldn't march, had practically no weapons training and they were for the majority terribly unfit. They all had to leave wives and families to do an 18 month tour over there. I can safely say that from what I've seen of the FCA, which isn't a whole lot, that some of the good infantry units would be approx 10000 times better than the national guard. And they were in real combat situations.
                        Last edited by ELVIS; 12 April 2005, 14:41. Reason: more pc


                        • #13
                          From what i understand 80-90% of the US national gaurd are not fit for combat of any kind


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by sandman
                            From what i understand 80-90% of the US national gaurd are not fit for combat of any kind
                            What evidence are you basing that on?
                            "The dolphins were monkeys that didn't like the land, walked back to the water, went back from the sand."


                            • #15
                              some random information that ive heard being thrown around