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  • What a headline it would make, 'DOD acquires 400 tokyo marui Steyrs'

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    • There is also the Steyr AUG Z - which is targeted at civilians.

      Takes a 223 round and can be bought in single short or semi auto versions.

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      • Originally posted by pym View Post
        There is also the Steyr AUG Z - which is targeted at civilians.

        Takes a 223 round and can be bought in single short or semi auto versions.
        It would be an awful lot cheaper deactivating some unserviceable steyrs for us bogger units. I still don't see how useful a non firing weapon would be in training on a Wednesday night. I'd prefer good wet gear/a nice new helmet/those fancy electronic peltors to be honest.
        Everyone who's ever loved you was wrong.

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        • Originally posted by kermit
          Would Airsoft Steyrs be an possibility for the country bumpkins? They could do arms drill with them also
          A few years ago a certain rural based company from a certain FCA (as it was then) unit bought them.

          They used them for a while till questions were asked about were did Xcoy get those weapons from as there was no record of a weapon issue from the armory.

          The gards got involved and there was murder.

          But that was before they were legalised.

          Surely u cant be serious about using toy guns for training!!! That would make a right show of the RDF. What would be next?? People running around on exercises shouting BANG?? (oh, wait a min..........................)
          Woo Hoo, finally moderated!!!!! In that select band of people who speak their mind instead of being sheep!

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          • Deactivated weapons are not toys. I'm not talking about using them for "timber tactics" etc. I mean RM lessons that otherwise require a field day and 4 hour + round trip for the sake of around 4 hours actual training.

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            • Originally posted by The real Jack View Post
              It would be an awful lot cheaper deactivating some unserviceable steyrs for us bogger units. I still don't see how useful a non firing weapon would be in training on a Wednesday night. I'd prefer good wet gear/a nice new helmet/those fancy electronic peltors to be honest.
              Do you fire live rounds on a training night?
              To close with and kill the enemy in all weather conditions, night and day and over any terrain

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              • This leads to the question what does deactivating a styre entail?
                Would it still be useful for learning care and cleaning and other such lessons that do not require live rounds?
                Where would you store such weapons?
                If stolen how easily would they be made servicable?

                Would it not make more sence to have weapons "delivered" and returned by the cadre every alternate parade night?
                Yes I know its an hours drive from the nearest post but is it not possible for them to bring out a cou[ple of weapons for 7.20. let you do 2 classes back to back in 90mins and then be gone back to bks intime to go home at 10?
                surely there are some comitted lads?
                Without supplies no army is brave.

                —Frederick the Great,

                Instructions to his Generals, 1747

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                • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                  Deactivated weapons are not toys. I'm not talking about using them for "timber tactics" etc. I mean RM lessons that otherwise require a field day and 4 hour + round trip for the sake of around 4 hours actual training.
                  I never said anything about de-ac weapons. it was about airsoft toy ones.
                  Woo Hoo, finally moderated!!!!! In that select band of people who speak their mind instead of being sheep!

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                  • Maybe an ex-18 Bn/ 5 Cav person here can confirm this but I've heard that the Mayo FCA had a few timber FN's which they used for arms drill on night parade.
                    "Why, it appears that we appointed all of our worst generals to command the armies and we appointed all of our best generals to edit the newspapers. I mean, I found by reading a newspaper that these editor generals saw all of the defects plainly from the start but didn't tell me until it was too late. I'm willing to yield my place to these best generals and I'll do my best for the cause by editing a newspaper"
                    Gen. Robert E. Lee

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                    • I remember doing a camp in lahinch in 1990 and there was wooden 303's belonging to 22nd Bn

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                      • 23bn had timber FNs and Brens.


                        Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                        • Originally posted by luchi View Post
                          This leads to the question what does deactivating a styre entail?
                          Would it still be useful for learning care and cleaning and other such lessons that do not require live rounds?
                          Where would you store such weapons?
                          If stolen how easily would they be made servicable?

                          Would it not make more sence to have weapons "delivered" and returned by the cadre every alternate parade night?
                          Yes I know its an hours drive from the nearest post but is it not possible for them to bring out a cou[ple of weapons for 7.20. let you do 2 classes back to back in 90mins and then be gone back to bks intime to go home at 10?
                          surely there are some comitted lads?
                          They could be used for practically all SMT & AD lessons (depends on how it is deactivated).

                          Some rural coys may have stores to the required standards (thought not all by any means!).

                          We do have committed personnel but it is at least an hour in light traffic from our Coy HQ to where are stores is. By the time the weapons have got down the lads (security, drivers, cadre) have been travelling for 2 hours, to do 90 minutes training, and then 2 hours back. Is it worth it?! (consider the time allocated to weapons in the syllabus).

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                          • I was thinking more on the lines of A Coy parades at stores location and B Coy parades at HQ on the same night.

                            Members of A coy bring the weps out to B Coy this way or Members of B Coy are bussed to Stores location where members of A coy have set up ready to do the class. Actually the second option is more efficient as no security would be required!!

                            Its only an idea and I am sure you wouldl be more aware than I of any logistical problems that this would pose.
                            Without supplies no army is brave.

                            —Frederick the Great,

                            Instructions to his Generals, 1747

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                            • We regard to the National recruitment campaign due to start in September. Potential providers have been asking questions:


                              Question 1
                              What are the target numbers for recruitment?

                              Answer 1
                              It quotes establishment and strength.

                              They are trying to recruit 1274 into the AR and 89 into the NSR

                              Question 2
                              What are the recruitment numbers for the last 3 years?

                              Answer 2
                              2005 1,069
                              2006 1,124
                              2007 972

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                              • Dear potential ad agencies, the above tender closes in 3 days.
                                "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                                "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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