Military Skills Competition

[hptmurphy Commander in Chief Find all posts View Profile Close hptmurphy]

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On a military skill slevel and probably seperate from the shooting a section in attack competition should be introduced on a brigade level and run into an allarmy level as this would be a further indication of military skills. Afterall this is the basic entry level that all soldiers should be able to attain before leading on to Corps skills.

Maybe with the introduction of the BTCs this might become an eventuality.

The standard of plates shooting has improved but it must be said the level of Rifle marksmanship has fallen of with the introduction of the Steyr. I accept that the rifle doesn't allow for the same degree of accuracy as sy the FN due to its configuration of sights .

Also I have to say that there is a notable absence of females in any great quantity in the shooting competitions.Surely there are more females out there that would like to prove their prowess with the weapons?

Talking to some people here I get the impression that shooting is elitest amongst some units and some individuals don't even try out for teams because of this.!

Should say the falling plates revert back to a certain amount of NCOs per team or should it remain as it currently stands?

Should officers be allowed to run as part of falling plates?

Should there be seperate teams for enlisted personnel versus NCOs and officers?

Would these make any great difference to the level of competition in the events as it would be possible for two teams from the same unit to compete against each other?

Thoughts please!

[Steamy Window Lieutenant Find all posts View Profile Close Steamy Window]

A section in attack competition is an excellent idea. Any thoughts on how it would work?For instance, would each team fight against each other, or against a single OPFOR team? How could it be scored? Would budgets be improved so as to enable units practice this in advance?

(Im not assuming hpt has all the answers already- though if you do it'd be nice- but perhaps my questions would get people thinking)

[hptmurphy Commander in Chief Find all posts View Profile Close hptmurphy]

The army in the past ran a section in attack competition and it was marked on Drills,Camoflage and concealment and personal administration. Given that a section will nominally only attack something it outnumbers by three to one ..enemy would be a nominal force.

Adherence to proven tactics...command and control,inititave would be other factors in the marking process. its all been done before...Remember time would not be a factor as if it works it dosen't mater how long it takes.

[Steamy Window Lieutenant Find all posts View Profile Close Steamy Window]

Well if there have been section in attack competitions in the past there shouldnt be too many problems. I was unaware of this.

As for females on teams...i think that as the number of females within the DF increases, eventually there will be female representation. Perhaps it is a case of a lack of experience. (Im only guessing!)If it is, then in time there will be greater representation.

what about seperate competitions for officers and other ranks?

[DeV Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close DeV]

The PDF had / has a Pln Attack Competition.

Up untill Foot & Mouth, Eastern Command ran a very successfull and challenging "Volkswagen" or Military Skills Competition. An officer & sergeant did a different part of the competition including the saab scania and map reading.

JD, First Aid, Fire Control Orders, weapons knowledge, navigation, etc

Falling Plates with rifle (x6)
Falling Plates with LMG (x2)

[ollie not dead yet Find all posts View Profile Close ollie]

the army used to have a section in attack comp but i think it only ran for a year or two till the pln in attack comp was launched. basically it covered sec admin in prep for advance to contact, through engaging the enemy to reorg afterwards . all aspects were judged including the time taken , there was a time limit but cant rem what it was

[JAG Commandant Find all posts View Profile Close JAG]

What happened to the Volkwagon? Can't really lay the blame for that on F&M.

[hptmurphy Commander in Chief Find all posts View Profile Close hptmurphy]

A Platoon in attack would probably beyond the remit of smaller units and would require too great an input and consume far to many resources.

If tthe RDF were to head down this road ...start simple and work up!

[Muzzle Lieutenant Find all posts View Profile Close Muzzle]

We have had skills comps for a few years with events covering every aspect of training. Only at Bn level though.

[JAG Commandant Find all posts View Profile Close JAG]

Seiously, what happened? The Volkswagon stopped and just never started again?

[Bosco 2/Lt Find all posts View Profile Close Bosco]

The PDF had / has a Pln Attack Competition.

Up untill Foot & Mouth, Eastern Command ran a very successfull and challenging "Volkswagen" or Military Skills Competition. An officer & sergeant did a different part of the competition including the saab scania and map reading.

JD, First Aid, Fire Control Orders, weapons knowledge, navigation, etc

Falling Plates with rifle (x6)
Falling Plates with LMG (x2)

The south did similar, I think last year was the end of it due to the re-org but I might be wrong.
It was dress&drill, forced march, medical test, comms test, engineers test(mines and the like) falling plates, grenade throwing, quiz and something im forgetting.
Docman help?

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The last year of the Volkswagen was the year before F&M, it was cancelled the following year as a precaution.

That was used as an excuse, as well as that corps units were spending too long training for it

[Steamy Window Lieutenant Find all posts View Profile Close Steamy Window]

The south did similar, I think last year was the end of it due to the re-org but I might be wrong.
It was dress&drill, forced march, medical test, comms test, engineers test(mines and the like) falling plates, grenade throwing, quiz and something im forgetting.
Docman help?

The PP Barry Cup

[Bosco 2/Lt Find all posts View Profile Close Bosco]

The PP Barry Cup

Yeah and the thing I was forgetting was the fire drill though two years ago it wasn't on it.

[greyfox the gunney Find all posts View Profile Close greyfox]

I think a section in attack comp would be a good idea , done with TESS it could be very realistic. platoon attacks would be abit much for corps units, it would encorage leadership, fitness, teamwork unit morale.
might be a good thing for those who are unable to get a place on shooting teams