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That if they stopped shooting out of places of worship and hospitals/medical care centres, then these might be svaed from the attentions of AGMs and 500lb LGBs
"The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"
We have agreed to respect the "neutrality" of medical and religeous facilities. Just because others do not respect that does not mean we should set aside our own morales.
If that was the case then isn't the solution then to just carpet bomb the place with some nasty chemical or biological agent ensuring that everyone is killed.
Or wasn't that tried in Viatnam..........and the Yanks lost....................didn't they?
We have agreed to respect the "neutrality" of medical and religeous facilities. Just because others do not respect that does not mean we should set aside our own morales.
I wasn't saying anything along those lines. All I am adding to the thread is to say that a medic should be givent the necessary training to defend themselves and their casualty.
A steyr and the USP. NOTHING MORE THAN THAT.
My understanding of it is that they would form part of the section, as an attachment, but not to engage in section-in-attack. Training in tactics, fieldcraft, weapons, GRIT orders etc. would be necessary for them to be a part of the section proper. But not to engage the enemy, as that would make them combatants.
They should hang with the FSG or flank security even. Close to the front line, but behind at a distance too that wouldn't be interfering in the section-in-attack.
Sometimes the CCP could be too far to the rear for wounded to make it on time. Having the medic closer could make the difference between life and death. Likewise for the treatment of an enemy soldier/prisoner of war.
...Engaging the enemy would make them combatants, and as such an enemy soldier would be entitled to engage them as hostile and take them out.
Smart thinking there ZULU. Have the skilled technician who can save the lives of your injured comrades be taken out by the enemy. How many will that leave you down in your section if they get taken out?...
you have been reading too many pamphlets mallen, get with the real real world - your assumptions are ok in a 'text book war' but not in modern conflicts.
ask any medic who has served in afghanistan if they just sit back and let the taliban pick off their casualty - NOPE - they (along with the rest of the section) get some rounds down and drag the casualty to cover and keep firing if they have to and then tend to the casualty.
the kind of people we fight now don't care if you have a red cross on your army - the fact you are on their land and not one of them means you are fair game to be killed so we are ALL combatants by default.
your answers would be good put into practice in a classroom infront of some red cross officials but in reality it's a case of 'grab your rifle' for everyone concerned.
thank god that this subject isn't even up for debate in the British Army where intense combat occurs on a daily basis and our medics have engaged the enemy.
scan...
RGJ
...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman...Celer et Audax
Basically.Should the medic sit down behind the wall reading his newspaper waiting for
someone to get hurt. or will he help win the firefight. and save himself a kicking from his
mates afterwords
That if they stopped shooting out of places of worship and hospitals/medical care centres, then these might be svaed from the attentions of AGMs and 500lb LGBs
the best way to kill a terrorist is with a knife, the worst way is with an aeroplane....
But there's no danger
It's a professional career
Though it could be arranged
With just a word in Mr. Churchill's ear
If you're out of luck you're out of work
We could send you to johannesburg.
Nope. Engaging the enemy would make them combatants, and as such an enemy soldier would be entitled to engage them as hostile and take them out.
Smart thinking there ZULU. Have the skilled technician who can save the lives of your injured comrades be taken out by the enemy. How many will that leave you down in your section if they get taken out?
Medics are classed as non-combatants - like padre- and are not engaged in section-in-attack formations.
Our Medics are armed, and trained to use their weapons; actually, they do use them in Afghanistan; when it comes down to "winning the firefight" every weapon counts.
We have Medics who eliminated some enemy elements from the fight, then turned to the wounded when needed.
"On the plains of hesitation, bleach the bones of countless millions, who on the very dawn of victory, laid down to rest, and in resting died.
Our Medics are armed, and trained to use their weapons; actually, they do use them in Afghanistan; when it comes down to "winning the firefight" every weapon counts.
We have Medics who eliminated some enemy elements from the fight, then turned to the wounded when needed.
Basically.Should the medic sit down behind the wall reading his newspaper waiting for someone to get hurt. or will he help win the firefight. and save himself a kicking from hisn mates afterwords
you have been reading too many pamphlets mallen, get with the real real world - your assumptions are ok in a 'text book war' but not in modern conflicts.
ask any medic who has served in afghanistan if they just sit back and let the taliban pick off their casualty - NOPE - they (along with the rest of the section) get some rounds down and drag the casualty to cover and keep firing if they have to and then tend to the casualty.
They are defending themselves so they are within the Geneva Convention
I wasn't saying anything along those lines. All I am adding to the thread is to say that a medic should be givent the necessary training to defend themselves and their casualty.
A steyr and the USP. NOTHING MORE THAN THAT.
They are trained on the GPMG as a PDF recruit / RDF 2*, I doubt they do much training on it after that.
My understanding of it is that they would form part of the section, as an attachment, but not to engage in section-in-attack. Training in tactics, fieldcraft, weapons, GRIT orders etc. would be necessary for them to be a part of the section proper. But not to engage the enemy, as that would make them combatants.
They should hang with the FSG or flank security even. Close to the front line, but behind at a distance too that wouldn't be interfering in the section-in-attack.
Sometimes the CCP could be too far to the rear for wounded to make it on time. Having the medic closer could make the difference between life and death. Likewise for the treatment of an enemy soldier/prisoner of war.
For the 3rd/4th time you are incorrect! It isn't like the films where there is a medic per section. There should be a rifleman trained in advanced first aid in each section with a section medical bag, he gives first aid and the section 2ic organises for a CASEVAC to the platoon sgt. The Pln Sgt then organises a CCP and CASEVACs to the CAP (where they will see a member of the Army Medical Corps).
As Jungle and royalgreenjacket have pointed out, it would appear that the role of a medic in the brits is soldier first and then medic second.
My understanding of things army is that you are a rifleman first, medic/driver/mp etc. second.
I would imagine that if you sign up for the army, you should be expecting to go to war. And being a soldier and partaking in the assault an so on when the shit hits the fan.
The Difference in Afghanistan is the Taliban have not signed the Geneva Convenction.
This argument is irrelevant; we are still bound to all the laws, conventions and treaties in the way we fight AND in the way we treat captured enemy fighters.
"On the plains of hesitation, bleach the bones of countless millions, who on the very dawn of victory, laid down to rest, and in resting died.
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