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When the rdf gets the chip off its shoulder,realises that it is not gods gift to the defence forces and admit that they need to totally upskill their people.When they learn how to wear a uniform without looking like a bogman or a civil defence head.when they start doing cit escorts and serving overseas.then they will be taken seriouslyAnd guess what the pdf will start to too!!
p.s not all rdf folks wear the uniform incorrectly,but alot do.
"Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
When the rdf gets the chip off its shoulder,realises that it is not gods gift to the defence forces and admit that they need to totally upskill their people.When they learn how to wear a uniform without looking like a bogman or a civil defence head.when they start doing cit escorts and serving overseas.then they will be taken seriouslyAnd guess what the pdf will start to too!!
The RDF do alot for the DF. Everyone (apart from the Walters) knows that upskilling is required. The only place we can get the skills required is the PDF, who haven't always been very helpful in the past, but it is starting to change.
The RDF do alot for the DF. Everyone (apart from the Walters) knows that upskilling is required. The only place we can get the skills required is the PDF, who haven't always been very helpful in the past, but it is starting to change.
Not always true. You don't need PDF assistance to teach recruits how to march without looking like a bag of shite, or to wear the uniform correctly. A lot of units seem to be happy with footdrill and dress that is digustingly below par. Perhaps in order to be promoted to 2*, recruits should be inspected by a SNCO or officer from the BTC, and a footdrill demonstration put on. All those who do not meet the standard are not promoted, with no exceptions. A minimum standard of dress and drill would go far in showing the public, and the PDF, that the RDF are not just a bunch of civvies in DPM.
When the rdf gets the chip off its shoulder,realises that it is not gods gift to the defence forces and admit that they need to totally upskill their people.When they learn how to wear a uniform without looking like a bogman or a civil defence head.
p.s not all rdf folks wear the uniform incorrectly,but alot do.
Originally posted by Bucket 2
the thing is they look like a bag of shite no matter what they are doing. the standard in the rdf is well below par. be it uniforms not being worn properly, sloppy footdrill and poor weapons handling, it all adds up. from what i have seen rdf nco's aren't doing the job they have been "trained" to do and assistance is and will always be needed from the pdf to bring the rdf up to the standard of the pdf. which lets face it's what you all want.
Actually many RDF say the same thing about the PDF.
Possibly,but i guarantee that they are reffering to our"birds" i.e a minority.Whearas the pdf say it about the majority.berets shaped like heli landing pads,trousers tucked into tops of boots,laces of pants and boots hanging down,long hair and f*****g smigs/beards for christ sake.i saw a medic in the back of an ambulance on paddys day last who looked like Jesus!If ye look professional you will feel professional and pretty soon will start to act professional.And bucket is right it IS the fault of the rdf officers and ncos.I know of at least one case where pdf have tried to pass on skills and rdf officers changed everything cos they thought they knew better.If ye want to be taken seriously then take all of these comments on board instead of feeling hard done by that someone has pointed out the glaringly obvious.
"Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
Possibly,but i guarantee that they are reffering to our"birds" i.e a minority.Whearas the pdf say it about the majority.berets shaped like heli landing pads,trousers tucked into tops of boots,laces of pants and boots hanging down,long hair and f*****g smigs/beards for christ sake.
Yes, I agree. The PDF has its ..... misfits. They are a minority. But the misfits in the RDF are a minority as well.
But the misfits in the RDF are a minority as well.
In some units there are very few to none in the enlisted ranks, largely due to officers who don't want the men looking like crap, and NCOs who are not shy about taking someone to task on inspection. In other units, they don't give a crap how anybody looks. I'm not talking about wearing tactical boots or webbing with permission (though if you are wearing parade boots they should be bulled, I've seen Cpls from units other than mine with parade boots that look like they were taken out of stores 5 seconds ago), I'm talking about basic things like beret shaping (atrocious in some units), blousing of boots correctly, turning up on parade with a clean uniform, haircuts, shaves and neckshaves. 10 to 15 minutes (depending on numbers) spent doing an inspection at the start of every parade would go a long way. Maybe the 4 new Lt Cols could make it their business to inspect every unit under their command at some point in the next 6 months, gripping the officers whose units look like crap.
when were not known as baggers (if we ever lose that name) then maybe things MIGHT change but to everybody were still the FCA regardless of a standing down or not..PDF don't care
In some units there are very few to none in the enlisted ranks, largely due to officers who don't want the men looking like crap, and NCOs who are not shy about taking someone to task on inspection. In other units, they don't give a crap how anybody looks. I'm not talking about wearing tactical boots or webbing with permission (though if you are wearing parade boots they should be bulled, I've seen Cpls from units other than mine with parade boots that look like they were taken out of stores 5 seconds ago), I'm talking about basic things like beret shaping (atrocious in some units), blousing of boots correctly, turning up on parade with a clean uniform, haircuts, shaves and neckshaves. 10 to 15 minutes (depending on numbers) spent doing an inspection at the start of every parade would go a long way. Maybe the 4 new Lt Cols could make it their business to inspect every unit under their command at some point in the next 6 months, gripping the officers whose units look like crap.
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