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    aa
    Last edited by Troddyn; 24 November 2005, 13:14.

  • #2
    Most of the same, plus happily ammunition and a weapon. Oh dear that ammo kicks your ass.
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    • #3
      Never weighed the items individually but normaaly i would carry at least 45 lbs not including ammo/weapon.

      Cefo;
      2 waterbottles and metal mug and puritabs
      3 boil in the bags and high energy drinks as an emergency brew kit
      wpns clening kit/paracord/moosie rep and head net/spare lighter/cam cream and
      mirror/red and green cyalumes(2 ea) flexicuffs.
      magazines/grenades(smoke etc)

      Shoot and scoot bag;

      waterproof jacket
      shemagh
      sleeka jacket(if not in bergan)
      one pair of spare socks(pre powdered)c/w goretex socks
      dpm poncho (if doing ambushes not carried normally)
      any issued ordanance such as reserve ammo/n.v.e/radios and btys(basically
      anything i dont want the enemy getting their hands on if i have to dump my
      bergan in a contact)
      maps/orders books etc.

      Bergan;
      3 litre camelback/ 1 x issue water bottle
      waterproof trousers(only for use in ptl.base)
      Gaiters(if doing coy adv to contact where noise isnt an issue)
      Sleeping system;lightweight sleeping bag/bivi bag/basha(paracord pre attached)
      6 steel tent pegs and 2 bungies (bungies only used if i cant make
      an "A" frame shelter)
      spare clothes; 1 lightweight dpm pants/long drflo top&bottoms(allways carried all
      year round) 1 pair of dryflo shorts/four pairs of socks./norgie shirt(winter only for
      sleeping)
      waterproof gloves and a skipcap
      tam part one
      entrenching tool
      hexi cooker and fuel(two packs)48 hours plus rations in large tupperware box
      issue flask(if going on short duration ex/op not carried otherwise)
      wash and shave kit(razor/pack towel/non scented soap/babywipes/toothbrush and
      paste)
      spare laces/boot polish and brush
      Kipmat/Cbrn ipe and respirator if their is a threat(carried at top of bergan in cat
      one)
      "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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      • #4
        aa
        Last edited by Troddyn; 24 November 2005, 13:12.

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        • #5
          Ideally with me its, anything over 20 to 25 kg for 24 to 48 hrs have a real look at what you are carrying and re-asset it
          Only the dead have seen the end of war - Plato

          "Where there is no guidance the people fall, but in abundance of counselors there is victory" Proverbs 11-14
          http://munsterfireandrescue.com

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          • #6
            20kgs without ammo and weapon
            Last edited by madmark; 16 October 2005, 20:49.
            Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.

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            • #7
              Travel light ,freeze at night.
              "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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              • #8
                Uniform:
                Bush hat
                Map/Compass
                Survival tin
                Bumfodder + Wipes
                Pencil/notebook
                Spoon
                Gloves

                Cefo/Wpn:
                Waterbottle and metal mug/puritabs
                Emergency rations
                FAK
                Paracord/ head net/ lighter/cam cream/flexis.
                10 mags/grenades
                Knife

                Shoot and scoot bag:

                Waterproofs
                Buffalo jacket
                1/2 ltr flask
                mission essential eqpt


                Pack
                3 litre camelback
                48 hrs rations
                Babywipes
                Buffalo salopettes
                Kipmat/sleeping bag/bivi bag
                gloves and a skipcap
                entrenching tool
                hexi cooker and tabs
                toothbrush and paste

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                • #9
                  I know , just extracting the Michael. The An Cosantoir supplement on this was v.good.

                  Secateurs are great.

                  Many people underestimate the weight of ammo and overpack the other stuff . Especially when the platoon sgt throws you half the Pln reserve. That's when the shit haemorrages start.
                  "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                  "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by apod
                    Travel light ,freeze at night.


                    not really just remember if you pack it YOU have carry it just look at your sleeping systom for example if you have the issue sleeping systom its heavy and takes up alot of room in your bag i have a low alpine sleeping bag it good to about 0 degrees its a lot lighter and less than half the size of the issue sleeping bag

                    now have a look at what you carry you can cut the weight without cutting the quailty
                    Last edited by FMolloy; 17 October 2005, 19:06.
                    Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.

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                    • #11
                      About as much as can fit in my bag.

                      Tankers have a tendancy to overpack. Not as if they're carrying it!

                      NTM
                      Driver, tracks, troops.... Drive and adjust!!

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                      • #12
                        tankers tend to overpack. not as if they're carrying it!

                        seemingly you will be
                        destroying yours and all

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                        • #13
                          Duh 'i know I was commenting on the post that quoted 20 kgs which for an infantry soldier is light.
                          I have a softie 3 bag myself and use a sleeka jkt instead of fleeces and norgies,but ammo water and food allways seem to make up the weight that you cut down by using lightweight gear.go figure. :wink:
                          "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                          • #14
                            Lads in my position have to cut back further, steyrs practically carry themselves, mags and all the ammo you liberated when the cq wasnt looking doesnt
                            Factories dont burn themselves down, they need help from people like you and me.

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                            • #15
                              With regard to sleeping system - I use a cheap(ish) small lightweight civvy sleeping bag & FMolloy's bivi bag - light, small, and practically 100% waterproof & breathable.

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