Hand Me Downs

[innocent]

just wondering if you need to have a clothing form when going to the stores to get part worn uniform?? or is it easy to get part worn uniform??

[GoneToTheCanner]

Hi all
Part-worn uniform!! Honest to Christ, what is the place coming to? Refuse it!! It's 2005, not 1940. Why should you give of your spare time and effort to wear cast-offs? It's reminiscent of the Wehrmacht issuing their men the clothing from the dead, bullet-holes patched. If they have so little respect for you, forget it.
regards
GttC

[Bosco]

Hi all
Part-worn uniform!! Honest to Christ, what is the place coming to? Refuse it!! It's 2005, not 1940. Why should you give of your spare time and effort to wear cast-offs? It's reminiscent of the Wehrmacht issuing their men the clothing from the dead, bullet-holes patched. If they have so little respect for you, forget it.
regards
GttC

By the looks of it its all a lot of guys are going to be issued.

[Sluggie]

A directive from Logs in the Eastern Brigade (and only the E Bde AFAIK) stated that suitable previously worn clothing was to be issued to recruits ( both PDF and RDF).

This was to be treated as "in addition" kit. However in the case of RDF recruits it was being issued as the recruits initial issue and the next time they would be issued a replacement would normally be 3 years later.

This is some way to treat a new recruit. The main fault lies as usual with the spineless RDF OC who allows his recruits to be treated in this manner.

[B Inman]

Remember hearing that term when I joined the PDF. I never knew anyone that got PW clothing but the provision is there in DFR Q2 the regulation that deals with issue of clothing. There is also a section in Q2 that mentions the recovery from wool from old socks and the issue of the wool for "darning purposes". Q2 was amended and republished in the 80's and even after this menition of PW clothing and "darning wool" was retained, but never implemented to my knowledge. There are a few sections in Q2 that read like something from Charles Dickens but others are relatively modern in content. Most replacement clothing is issued on FWT basis ie fair wear and tear or if the user to be negligent in looking after his kit eg kept loosing items, replacement was on repayment ie deduction of replacement price from pay. Don't know anything about issue of clothing to the RDF but if the PDF don't take PW clothing you should'nt either. Just say no.

[hptmurphy]

If we could get the new kit in the first place this would be a good arguement but the scale of issue is ridiculous..I have one ...issue and thats it one only smock...not due another issue till next year...I'd take apart worn one....any doners...(not kebabs)

[Bosco]

If we could get the new kit in the first place this would be a good arguement but the scale of issue is ridiculous..I have one ...issue and thats it one only smock...not due another issue till next year...I'd take apart worn one....any doners...(not kebabs)

Have to agree with murf here.
Its hard enuough for us to get kit in the first place PW or not we cant afford to refuse it.
Pretty shitty situation but hey theyre slashing that clothing budget right down.

[B Inman]

If we could get the new kit in the first place this would be a good arguement but the scale of issue is ridiculous..I have one ...issue and thats it one only smock...not due another issue till next year...I'd take apart worn one....any doners...(not kebabs)

Get publicity, this is the 21st century, representative association, local media, (national if you can get it) "Minister for Defence Willie O'Dea at a military ceremony in Sarsfield Barracks celebrated the formation of the RDF out went the old model of the FCA and in came the RDF to be intergrated with the PDF". Yet it seems that old ideas and methods and and rules re clothing etc still exist. This is a new situation, the powers that be seem to be trying to carry old procedures with them ("we have always done it this way", ring any bells). Speaking as a retired member of the PDF the one thing that get things done is pressure from the top, if you make enough noise (eg a Parlimantary Question ask your local non govenrment TD (not SF please), they all hold clinics) that Willie notice's things will happen very fast. Folks to summarise its a new siuation grasp the oppertunity don't bitch about it on this forum, make your grievance known where the public and the politicians can see it.

[trellheim]

This was an RDFRA issue for RDF. One can understand it for PDF recruits. There was a decision taken earlier this year which I do believe is not in accordance with the above, but I will stand corrected !


Wheres Bravo20 when you need him !

[happenin]

Never been issued with pw gear thank god. Have what i'm supposed to. Guess i'm one of the lucky ones. Ah well

[Bosco]

A lot from our old unit were issued PW gear happenin.
After we did our pots the recruit camp directly afterwards nearly everyone of the recruits got issuesd PW clothing. It got so bad that cadre were bringing old gear from home for the recruits to get them dressed.

[HavocIRL]

I think it would make sense if people got two uniforms. For instance they could get a brand new one for parades etc. and a second hand one for tactics.

It does seem a waste that a lot of the uniforms that are only used once are destroyed.

[bulldemboots!]

If the units got back uniforms which were issued to people who have left there wouldn't be such a problem. The fact remains that most RDF recruits only seem to stay for about 18 months if you're lucky.

What should be done is that people who put in the time and attend alot should be rewarded for this in the form of extra uniform, e.g. fleeces, proper raingear, etc... It does my head in to see guys who only attend the odd time with the same amount of uniform that I have, and fellas who have left not handing in kit which could be issued to the dedicated members.

[Gasplug]

The use of the the words "hard core" just removed any authority form your argument which started out well, you could have used the word dedicated or something similar......

[ODIN]

i have seen some recruits with PERSONAL ISSUE PLCE, helmets and bergins in some places. And me an NCO with none of it!!!