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    Is that the plan to cut troop numbers overseas ? Personally I thought the number of troops overseas would increase in the next few years with the RRF and RDF being eligible for overseas UN missions.

  • #2
    What I am reading is that we are top heavy overseas, and this is about reducing the amount of ossifers, probably so they can put more regular bodies on the ground.
    Meh.

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    • #3
      on RTE news the brass reckoned there was a massive demand for officers overseas. Personally I think the more officers that serve overseas the better. Its good experience for them.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by andy
        on RTE news the brass reckoned there was a massive demand for officers overseas. Personally I think the more officers that serve overseas the better. Its good experience for them.
        Of course the brass is going to say that, they're the ones going on these observer missions. Would having them actually doing their jobs in Ireland not be a better experience for them?
        "The dolphins were monkeys that didn't like the land, walked back to the water, went back from the sand."

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        • #5
          Brilliant piece of Tactics by RACO,

          Officers are in big demand for overseas postings and its getting to a stage where lads are been detailed to go, in fact Junior Capts are going out in Senior Comdt appointments.

          RACO has cleverly brought to the publics attention how great a job they are doing overseas and they have forced the minister to acknowledge this.

          The minister and the dept has now committed themselves to a policy of trying to establish ongoing career advancement courses for officer who are detailed to go overseas

          the lads now in effect have there cake and then can eat it as well

          they can go overseas, earn the mega bucks, tick the correct boxes and simultaneously do the career advancement courses

          well done RACO

          PDFORRA on the other hand, whilst we have the exact same problem, spend there convention arguing the tiniest of minuate of pure and utter shite

          AGHHHHHH
          Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
          Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
          The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
          The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
          The best lack all conviction, while the worst
          Are full of passionate intensity.

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          • #6
            I think RACO is trying to say that because their is a shortage of officers, the current ones trips overseas are too close together - every 2/3 years.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by FMolloy
              Of course the brass is going to say that, they're the ones going on these observer missions. Would having them actually doing their jobs in Ireland not be a better experience for them?
              Well there seems to be enough officers here at the moment and they need a serious amount of soliders just to keep them in jobs.

              Sending them overseas means that there are more positions here at home, there are more oppurtunities to lead at home, vital experience of overseas missions is gained and Irelands reputation and international obligations are met.

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              • #8
                Well there seems to be enough officers here at the moment and they need a serious amount of soliders just to keep them in jobs
                I am a firm beleiver in the fact if you want to play soccer you abide by the offside rule

                and if you want to soldier, you have to have officers

                How many officers are there that are actually doing there job

                It was said to me by a Brit overseas, that If our Officers were actually doing there jobs, we woulndt need pdforra

                is there a need for them in this day and age

                most of the day to day running of the units is in the hands of the nco ranks

                nco's now bring people onto the range

                nco's do duty officers in a number of barracks

                nco's have gone to court instead of officers

                noc's regularly make training programmes and such like

                have they actually weaseled themselves out of a job

                thoughts, and points of view required on the above

                especially Ground Hog- Herr Flick and JPB
                Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                Are full of passionate intensity.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by andy
                  Well there seems to be enough officers here at the moment and they need a serious amount of soliders just to keep them in jobs.
                  Not according to RACO, they say there's not enough of them.

                  Originally posted by andy
                  Sending them overseas means that there are more positions here at home, there are more oppurtunities to lead at home, vital experience of overseas missions is gained and Irelands reputation and international obligations are met.
                  What vital experience is gained on observer missions?
                  "The dolphins were monkeys that didn't like the land, walked back to the water, went back from the sand."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by hedgehog
                    thoughts, and points of view required on the above

                    especially Ground Hog- Herr Flick and JPB
                    But if you didn't have officers, NCOs would have nobody to blame.....

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                    • #11
                      In the new CS 4 and 41 there are two senior appointments for blameworthy Cpl's

                      I used to occupy it when I was a CPl

                      I am provocking debate here

                      as an Officer Docman, what do you do that couldnt be done by a Sgt or even a Cpl
                      Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                      Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                      The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                      The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                      The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                      Are full of passionate intensity.

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                      • #12
                        Bang goes the reserves chances of going on a little holiday abroad :tri:

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                        • #13
                          It has been accepted that NCOs run the army...officers only rubber stamp it..but in some spheres officers will never put their careers on the line and risk their pensions..so why should an NCO do it for them..although in most legal pleadings from what I've seen...courts have been slow to name particular individuals only ..appintments..the sooner individuals and not appointments are held accountable for actions ..only then can the DF move on!
                          Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by FMolloy
                            What vital experience is gained on observer missions?
                            The experience of being an unarmed international UN observer, often operating behind the lines and in very dangerous situations, while often only having 1 other observer to help you.

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                            • #15
                              Ive heard that the observer missions are a doddle. occording to a guy in the aer corps who i worked with. hjes a commandent?!

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