Cultaca Insignia?

[Bravo20]

And this is the nub of the issue. The 2007 Act would prohibit an RDF NCO/Officer from charging a member of the PDF for refusing to obey their orders however defined roles (such as guard duties) are supported by standing orders (which are issued by a member of the PDF). The simple option to deal with someone acting the maggot is to get someone in their chain of command to issue the charge and have it specific to the breach of standing orders. Similarly in relation to RDF PAs and road traffic offences (particularly now as they are not stand alone RDF units), he/she recommends to the PA unit commander (PDF) to issue an appropriate charge. In relation to charging members of the PDF, RDF personnel become material witnesses to the event but the charging should be done by a member of the PDF.

[trellheim]

No. They had no obligation to obey. But by no means against regs.
Be interesting to see when a PDF o/o fks off on the piss.

[koppiteal]

Ive done duties as ic of Pdf since 2007. So was it against tie regs?

[DeV]

The 2007 Act was a change, previous to that a DFR allowed a PDF soldier to be put under the command of an RDF soldier for a specific purpose (EG RDF guard Comd but PDF guard).

Now the Oireachtas has decided that can't happen

[gibedepusib0ss]

Im sure any soldier worth his salt would carry out an instruction given by nco or officer regardless of being Rdf or Pdf. As long as the order is revelent and not just somebody on a power trip.

Eh, no. Because when someone gives orders, it usually means more work. And who the hell wants more work?

[Toolbox]

What NS variant?

That is the manual. Go check the orginak paper copy of the manual of foot drill.

Bulaigh Am is correct.

Ligh Amach is correct.

I'm very surprised that you folks here had never read that DFR before.

Could you imagine letting some Slua pretend LS, PO or CPO who had not had that rank in the Naval Service or does not hold merchant marine officers rank order sailors about at sea?

I must say I for one am delighted that a flash has been introduced after the diluting of the black beret.

The green beret was ideal and worn with justified pride.

[hptmurphy]

Off Topic a little, but nice to hear someone else finally mention that little foot drill quirk. Been a source of major grief for me in the past.

And then you have the NS variant of the drill manual........Bulaig T Am! as opposed to Radiagh Foibh!!! ( Mark Time!!!!) and lig amach!!!!!

[AC182]

We focus sometimes too much on the rules, how many times have people on the march been told to Wheel Half Left / Right;
Realize then that the command used Athraíg Treo Fó Dheis, Deas Chasaigh... Ar Aghaidh. According to the Rules your suppose to use this when the first man moves to the point of the turn where you want the body of troops to go forward from.

Off Topic a little, but nice to hear someone else finally mention that little foot drill quirk. Been a source of major grief for me in the past.

[Cryos]

Coincidentally (not) this amendment was put in around the time there were plans to send RDF overseas.

However this did not restrict the assessment of merits on an individual basis. RDF Overseas for the set periods was sidelined for various technical and social reasons; We haven't progressed employment protection outside of state companies for Reservists. A week of Camp is a week of Annual Leave Paid or Unpaid for most. Overseas in its current form wont happen anytime within the next 5 years for the reserve, a role specific deployment over a shorter period is more likely to augment shortages outside of combat roles. Lead in the Specialist Roles in the RDF.

Im sure any soldier worth his salt would carry out an instruction given by nco or officer regardless of being Rdf or Pdf. As long as the order is revelent and not just somebody on a power trip.

We focus sometimes too much on the rules, how many times have people on the march been told to Wheel Half Left / Right;
Realize then that the command used Athraíg Treo Fó Dheis, Deas Chasaigh... Ar Aghaidh. According to the Rules your suppose to use this when the first man moves to the point of the turn where you want the body of troops to go forward from.

At the end of the day, respect doesn't come from the Black and white.

[ODIN]

Im sure any soldier worth his salt would carry out an instruction given by nco or officer regardless of being Rdf or Pdf. As long as the order is revelent and not just somebody on a power trip.

However, any soldier not worth their salt has the legal high ground in any ensuing debate should he, or she, decide not to obey a lawful order issued by an RDF Officer or NCO, regardless of whether they are on a power trip.

[koppiteal]

Im sure any soldier worth his salt would carry out an instruction given by nco or officer regardless of being Rdf or Pdf. As long as the order is revelent and not just somebody on a power trip.

[ODIN]

So, in terms of a Single Force Concept, there are those who have to follow orders from one set of superior officers, but not from another set of superior officers. Seems like a well thought out concept to me....wait, no, it doesn't...seems like an utterly made up, ill conceived and half arsed solution.

[DeV]

Not my reading of it, only a "superior officer" can issue a "lawful order".

There is zero provision for a RDF officer/NCO to issue an order to any PDF personnel.

[hptmurphy]

legal jargon aside and quotation of rules and how the could be read or misread , it would appear that PDF ranks have now obligation to carry out and order or instruction issued by RDF ranks unless the person is holding a nominated appointment of command ie guard commander, orderly officer etc.....if I'm reading it right.

So while an RDF person may have a greater qualification than the person he wishes to issue instruction to, that person is no obligation to comply.......If I'm reading it right.

Its does reduce the possibility of abuse of rank when among person who may chose to do so from and RDF perspective, but where is the protection for the RDF person who may issue a reasonable legitimate request in good faith and not have it acted on?

Instruction by PAs being one such scenario in a Road Traffic compliance perspective, Does an PDF driver now have the latitude to opt out of a lawful instruction because it was issued by an RDF PA?

[Bravo20]

In these circumstances you absolutely could not send RDF officers out NCOs overseas out on ATCP except as part of an all-RDF unit

Coincidentally (not) this amendment was put in around the time there were plans to send RDF overseas.