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  • apod
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    No.Private purchase.Look at the unit,and individual wearing it and then ask yourself if you are surprised

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  • TangoSierra
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    Everyone wants to be special it seems

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  • DeV
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    Hope not!!

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  • ODIN
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    Are we going down the path of subdued unit flashes now?

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  • Truck Driver
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    Originally posted by X-RayOne View Post
    A picture paints a thousand words:

    https://flic.kr/p/KRVwzD

    Jesus....they look crap (the cultaca flashes to clarify!!) no matter which way or shirt they are worn on!!!

    Mod edited to display the link

    Thanks Mods...Flickr defeated my IT skills!
    Looked through that album of pictures and spotted a subdued unit flash (more obvious if you enlarge the photo in Flickr)

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/dfmaga...7669024536224/

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  • trellheim
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    RDF wise it is possibly to do with RDF officers and who they can issue orders to
    whoever they are put in command of A18 para 21 but it needs to be specifically done by order to ensure command is legal , if they are PDF in the mix ..

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  • DeV
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    Originally posted by trellheim View Post
    There should be no problem with peakers for RDF there have been thousands issued this year alone.
    well Stores NCOs think otherwise.

    In other news why not just borrow one from the shed loads of fellow RDF NCOs in your formation , its not as if you'll need it for long.
    well with more than 1 case with more notice I could have.

    There are NO garments where the tab will not fit ! Move the flag FFS. I had to on one shirt . Look at the Comdt in the picture for an example of where you need to be with this. If you compare in the PIC with GOC S shirt and the Comdt's you can see the space difference above the flag ìn the newer ranges of shirts . There is no problem at all on the older mini flags
    where does the DFR say the tab is to worn? 2.5cm below the seam not on the seam.

    Originally posted by ODIN View Post
    It's really hard to wear something that has not been issued, and I cannot get an issue of. Same way I haven't got a shirt, boots or trousers since 2011. If stores will not deal with me, what am I meant to do apod?
    Have you a signed 245B to say that you should be issued ?

    The nominal lift on the scale of issue doesn't mean your entitled to a new shirt after X years.

    Of course, last time I checked, the Cultraca isn't on the scale of issue.

    Originally posted by apod View Post
    You shouldn't have had to pay money out of your own pocket.There are tailors in barracks.
    Dev if you have the flashes and they won't fit then that is something to be brought up the chain with regards to uniform design.Personally I think the powers that be made a balls of the whole thing.If they has stuck with the original plan then none of this would be an issue.
    it was the CoC even recognised it due to the fact the instruction that was issued the countmans the DFR.

    Now they are going back to the drawing board and re designing the flash after spending thousands of euros of taxpayers money.Moot point though.
    WTF. what's the bets on green berets making a come back?!



    I work for a multinational organisation, if a contractor, or a new person comes on site, they get the same ID badge as I have and are treated in the same manner.
    in my work they say contractor in big red letters (for long term contractors)

    RDF wise it is possibly to do with RDF officers and who they can issue orders to
    Last edited by DeV; 14 August 2016, 16:36.

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  • trellheim
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    Everybody will still have them!
    There is a volume of G1's and Two Stars who will not.

    Please let's not get into situations about
    issues arising pre Cultaca flash of RDF personnel being mistaken for PDF in situations where it caused lets just say a few "problems"
    because the only genuine ones I can think of are a mess bill or overseas selection. There's some legal issues the DF is severely ostriching re command/responsbililities but that's not the same thing

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  • ODIN
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    Can we not just have the green berets back and be done with it? Everybody will still have them!

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  • apod
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    Cutting the BS here. The patch is an idiotic idea in a so called single force, In fact, it goes against the concept as it is used to identify one group as not being the same as the other.
    Seeing as we are cutting the BS.I agree but there is precedence even within the single force of differentiation.Prime example being the bottle green beret and those who wear it.Again our personal beliefs are moot points.
    Seriously though, are there those in the PDF who are so insecure that the feel the need to see the RDF wear an identifying tag to prevent confusion? I work for a multinational organisation, if a contractor, or a new person comes on site, they get the same ID badge as I have and are treated in the same manner.
    It's not about insecurity.There is anecdotal evidence of issues arising pre Cultaca flash of RDF personnel being mistaken for PDF in situations where it caused lets just say a few "problems".Being clearly ID'd prevents this.Going by some of the comments here the insecurity is the other way around.Oh and BTW surely a contractor should have a visitor ID and not a standard one to mark them out as being non full time staff.Is that not international best security practice.Moot question.The answer is yes.

    Really, I don't give a toss about wearing a patch (bar the fact that it is over the national flag which disgusts me), I wore a green beret for the majority of my time in uniform.
    Obviously you do going by some of your comments here.As for wearing the tab above the flag it's a non issue.We wore our overseas unit tabs in the same manner for donkeys years.
    As stated above, I cannot get the thing issued, same as I cannot get anything else issued at present. Maybe stores should get some external consultants in to sort out their house, it cannot be that difficult to cloth and equip around 12000 people in a limited number of locations.
    Just to confirm so.have you requested the item on your 245B?If not why not? If they said there were personal issue UBACS for RDF going on issue I would lay a bet you would make it your business to find a way to get into stores to get one.Stop making lame excuses.As for how stores do their job that's already being address by people on a much higher pay grade than you and me.
    On a closing note, I have not heard one mention of the patch in my unit at a PDF or RDF level since its inception, maybe it is because we work together rather closely and they've accepted us as part of the unit, or maybe it''s because they don't care about the patch.
    Don't ask,don't tell?? Our RDF people have been accepted also(ask any of them) but they tog off as the Bn Comdr expects them to.
    Last edited by apod; 14 August 2016, 15:40.

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  • ODIN
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    Cutting the BS here. The patch is an idiotic idea in a so called single force, In fact, it goes against the concept as it is used to identify one group as not being the same as the other. I know we (the RDF element) are never going to be the same as you (the PDF element), you do this stuff day to day and have countless more hours of training and experience under your belt that we will ever attain, I don't think that there is an intelligent person out there who would dispute this fact.

    Seriously though, are there those in the PDF who are so insecure that the feel the need to see the RDF wear an identifying tag to prevent confusion? I work for a multinational organisation, if a contractor, or a new person comes on site, they get the same ID badge as I have and are treated in the same manner.

    Really, I don't give a toss about wearing a patch (bar the fact that it is over the national flag which disgusts me), I wore a green beret for the majority of my time in uniform. As stated above, I cannot get the thing issued, same as I cannot get anything else issued at present. Maybe stores should get some external consultants in to sort out their house, it cannot be that difficult to cloth and equip around 12000 people in a limited number of locations.

    On a closing note, I have not heard one mention of the patch in my unit at a PDF or RDF level since its inception, maybe it is because we work together rather closely and they've accepted us as part of the unit, or maybe it''s because they don't care about the patch.

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  • apod
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    You shouldn't have had to pay money out of your own pocket.There are tailors in barracks.
    Dev if you have the flashes and they won't fit then that is something to be brought up the chain with regards to uniform design.Personally I think the powers that be made a balls of the whole thing.If they has stuck with the original plan then none of this would be an issue.Now they are going back to the drawing board and re designing the flash after spending thousands of euros of taxpayers money.Moot point though.
    If you have them.Wear them and complain afterwards like any good soldier.If you don't have them.Look for them.Nobody can say anything if you have looked for them and have yet to be issued.Throwing you teddy bear out of the pram and being defiant just cause you don't like the idea is just petulant and if you are an officer or NCO shows poor leadership.

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  • ODIN
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    Originally posted by apod View Post
    You are an NCO right? You train people and enforce standards and discipline in a uniform organisation right?
    Then you have a responsibility to set the example and wear what you are supposed to wear as part of the uniform as per the DFR. Which is a signed, lawful ORDER.And if you don't have one you should be actively looking to be issued one in order to comply with that order.Do you go around without headdress or boots??I think not.
    Your or mine personal misgiving's about how the uniform is worn are irrelevant.
    It's really hard to wear something that has not been issued, and I cannot get an issue of. Same way I haven't got a shirt, boots or trousers since 2011. If stores will not deal with me, what am I meant to do apod?

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  • The real Jack
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    I had the patch velro'd on one less knackered smock and shirt just to get me by any bullshit that might come up. I paid for it out of my own pocket, I followed the circulated photos at the time showing how to do it even though it looks shite. Moving flags around just means i'll be charged more for modifying my remaining shirts and smocks.

    This here is why I will not pay any more of my own money to rearrange issued clothing to fix an army ****up. My number ones will remain un modified for the same reason. If we still got the grat fair enough but without it they can FRO. I can't justify wasting so much of my own free time on the "single force" RDF so I'm not doing any FTT and will most likely go non effective this year. For the hours I put into the DF over the last 10 or so years I could have learned a language or become an expert in some new skills! Fair play to people giving up huge chunks of their annual leave every year but I just can't for the life of me see how it's worth it.

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  • trellheim
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    I've been requested to make myself available for 3 ceremonials this year. I couldn't because Clothing Stores won't issue me a peaker even though it's on the scale of issue and was 245B was signed by a PDF Comdt.
    There should be no problem with peakers for RDF there have been thousands issued this year alone.

    In other news why not just borrow one from the shed loads of fellow RDF NCOs in your formation , its not as if you'll need it for long.

    There are NO garments where the tab will not fit ! Move the flag FFS. I had to on one shirt . Look at the Comdt in the picture for an example of where you need to be with this. If you compare in the PIC with GOC S shirt and the Comdt's you can see the space difference above the flag ìn the newer ranges of shirts . There is no problem at all on the older mini flags

    This is not a personal choice item wear, all that is happening is PDF correctly viewing us as picking and choosing.
    Last edited by trellheim; 14 August 2016, 12:59.

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