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  • #16
    Good morale in an RDF unit/sub-unit comes down to it's NCO's ingenuity.
    As for accuracy, presumably the missile carries MRVs with terminal phase sensors and guidance.

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    • #17
      i was forced to say maybe as ive only been in a year so cant realy speak about morale before the re-org. Morale is low simply because we arent takin seriously by anyone not the Army, the DOD or the public hard to keep morale up with that
      '....drug problem in vietnam? its not a problem everybody has some....'

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      • #18
        From what I have learned in the last few days, It look's like full integration will now happen from Jan 07, instead of Jan 09 as planned, ( Well in the East anyway)

        Goldie is right in what he said, a hell of a lot of these guys went in to the PDF and in most cases, holding their Rank, regrettably now, I choose to go to a different industry which incidentally made the announcement 2 weeks ago, it's closing it's doors and leaving Ireland.
        it will be long, it will be hard, and there will be no withdrawl
        Winston churchill

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        • #19
          Originally posted by beenthere
          From what I have learned in the last few days, It look's like full integration will now happen from Jan 07, instead of Jan 09 as planned, ( Well in the East anyway)
          Heard something to that effect myself, though not full integration (i.e. 1 company per battalion) but partial. A step in the right direction anyway.
          Last edited by bulldemboots!; 12 March 2006, 19:50.

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          • #20
            Having been a member of the RDF since 1988.........................Perhaps your sub-unit is now under new management? Perhaps the Proximity to Bn Hq is making your officers nervous where in the past bn HQ was only something that happened during camp?
            I'm curious goldie, if you can see the old patterns emerging do you think the reorg is actually going to go anywhere?

            For my own unit morale isn't the best. The NCOs and some of the officers are trying but they don't seem to be getting much support from above.
            I saw Elvis. He sat between me and bigfoot on the UFO.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Patriot
              i was forced to say maybe as ive only been in a year so cant realy speak about morale before the re-org. Morale is low simply because we arent takin seriously by anyone not the Army, the DOD or the public hard to keep morale up with that
              It seems some things never change

              As i recall morale was low back in the mid to late seventies in the PDF due to various factors.
              One that springs to mind was, it was not unusual for the same guys in an infantry battallion (mostly single men) to go on 2, or 3, 24 hr duties in one week, not to mention escorts of one kind or another.
              The reasons given at the time were 'under strength.
              It could be months before one got paid for these duties (if at all).
              Quite a few married and single men were reluctant to do a stint on the border.
              This was when the IDF was at its peak with 14,000 full timers or more, and roughly about the same FCA.
              It was only when the 'LEB' came into the equation that morale rose a bit in the ranks ,but by that time the damage was done and their were questions asked by the goverment of the day as to why so many men (all ranks ) were leaving the army.
              It wasent long after that the army introduced a men's repesentitive body for all the gripes, but a lot of the men who took their ticket were more than annoyed for having to carry the load of others who didint .

              Some things do remain the same .

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              • #22
                My opinion : I've never been so busy, doing what I joined to do. A lot of people cannot stand the pace, and only show up for the stuff they want to. [ Wa-hey, nothing new there ]

                Yes, I know it's a volunteer organisation. But to me, that means you volunteer to join. Three years flies by.
                "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by trellheim
                  My opinion : I've never been so busy, doing what I joined to do. A lot of people cannot stand the pace, and only show up for the stuff they want to. [ Wa-hey, nothing new there ]

                  Yes, I know it's a volunteer organisation. But to me, that means you volunteer to join. Three years flies by.

                  Yes, amazing what you can cram into 3 years.

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                  • #24
                    Given the fall off in numbers joining, and the difficulties of enticing new recruits against the fall off in retention, it is my opinion that the RDF is to be decreased in size so that each command will end up with a very small corps of people, who will actually be able to take part in integration.

                    This seems to be playing right in to the DF's barrow. The days of cushy camps will soon be gone with reservists being deployed on PDF exercises...and that will be it. You will be expected to have all modules of required training completed before going on the ground thus enabling reservists to fill the gaps in the PDF. Maybe not a dab scenario but it will destroy those in the non integrated units as equipment will be sent to the integrated and deployed reservists only.

                    Its all a big wind down of an overly costly and non effective force. Consolidation of bodies and equipment will be the result thus forcing many capable individuals, who cannot commit to such a force, to leave the reserve due to work etc.

                    This was all very well thought out before the reorg..and within the months following the reorg it has become blatantly obvious what the DF want...and they are going to get it.

                    I think it lacks foresight as it will definitely remove some potentially good people from the RDf by leaving them no option.

                    Very sad indeed.
                    Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                    • #25
                      I agree with some of the points you made. It seems to me that the re-org was also a decentralisation plan disguised as self suficiency. I thought it made more sense to have main companies located within major urban areas. The greater numbers made the city units run well. More bods, more resources, more training, greater moral = effective units. However with some of the front infantry companies sent out to the sticks now, I don't like what i'm seeing. A supposed A Coy Inf Bn with only 5 people showing up on training nights!? I dont think its a lack of commitment on their part, just that there aint enough people in the area who want to be part time soldiers.

                      True the re-org has brought about a lot of upcoming courses but I witnessed about the same level if not more when I was doing my 2* and 3* training. It seems to me that the powers that be want specialists (sigs, drivers, Support weapons) for the purposes of supporting PDF courses. Just my theory on it.
                      "The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"

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                      • #26
                        your right in that the pdf want support personel such as drivers & signals this was said to officers i know by a senior PDF officer and it makes sence from their point of veiw its the return they want for the time and resourses put into the reserve with little return with some justification, nor would it be a bad thing , however will the 7 day a week army be capable of seeing that a reservist can not give anything like the support they may expect because of work school ect
                        very few units if any even in citys or towns have a full complement parading for many reasons which have been gone over many times, it may be better that you are in one city company which has greater attendence and a better pool of officers and ncos then having two city companies which are under strenght , leave the units in the sticks to work out their own problems ( if its the A company im thinking about its turnover in the past seven years has been enough to fill most of a battallion) ,any small town along with its neighbouring towns and villages has a suffecient manpower pool to provide a company its a failure by the powers that be and ourselves to recruit and retain them.
                        as for an increase in courses there may not be a greater variaty but the availability of mandays has vastly increased to allow more people to go on them,
                        its a bit soon to pass a definitive judgement on the reorg hard to see the hole picture when you are in it, it is bringing change and people dislike change even change for the better this is lowering morale but in fairness was morale really that high pre reorg? the retention figures wouldnt say it was. people have to adapt to the new realitys the old days of cushy camps are gone this i figure will take time a year or two and hopefully then we will be part of a better organisation ,
                        "take a look to the sky right before you die, its the last time you will"

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                        • #27
                          The Western Brigade RDF had 160 people attending annual training in 2004 for every 100 people in the eastern brigade. What are the relative populations of leinster and connaght?
                          Why assume that city units would have greater attendance than rural units?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Sluggie
                            The Western Brigade RDF had 160 people attending annual training in 2004 for every 100 people in the eastern brigade. What are the relative populations of leinster and connaght?
                            Why assume that city units would have greater attendance than rural units?

                            I'm not assuming that all rural units are like this. Just highlighted one case. All I suggested was a theory and welcome all critisisim on it in order to find out whats really happening and more importantly what can be done to increase commitment and quality bods in the RDF. As edison said, "I haven't failed in making a light bulb, I've just discovered 1000 ways NOT to make a light bulb".
                            "The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"

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                            • #29
                              Looking at the results at the moment, I don't think we have ever had such a decisive result.

                              Morale is crap at the moment.
                              The only difference is that more than half of us think it'll get better.


                              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                              • #30
                                Damn optimists

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