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  • Humiliation

    Okay this is probably going to get me into more trouble ...but what the hell.

    Last evening I was going to the range to practise for next weekends event....when wait for it......Iwas stopped at the gate by a private who informed me that i could not enter the barracks until I had been positively identified by a PDF member of my own unit.

    I have paraded in the same barracks for the past twelve years. on enquiring I was informed that the barrack adujant had issued and a directive that all FCA personnel were to be subject to this ruling...the private on the gate enforced the directive with some vigour.

    To make matters worse a mate of mine who had served with this enthusiastc enforcer...as a recruit and had given twelve years stationed in the same barracks was also subject to the same ruling as was a certain captain who carries out regular security duties in the same barrcks.

    As no official form of identification is available all members of the DF will now have to wait at the gate to be positively identified......

    It gets worse ...a serjeant who has twenty three years service and has two brothers serving in the same company as this guy was also stopped.

    okay so the guy was only obeying orders but surely the guy could use his discression.....what ****ing muppet came up with the directive?

    I know who it was and am sorely tempted to print the idiots name.......

    we have hit an all time low especially as the directive is aimed soley at RDF personel....the guy who delivers the bread in the morning is not subjected to this shit.

    I have given fifteen years service in the DF and have never been so humiliated...the RDFRA have been informed...but to what end.

    Ifeel that this needed to be posted to highlight the discrimation that still exists against the RDF.

    this has to be the most blatant form of ****ology that I have ever encountered in the whole of my expierience with the DF.



    Thoughts!!!!
    Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

  • #2
    Happens in Cathal Brugha all the time also - though normally only for ranks below Corporal.

    Interestingly, if you are in civvies and don't say you are in the FCA but say you are there on some other business - then there is no problem.

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    • #3
      Murph,

      My sympathies but as you said the man who issued the order is a muppet. The gateman was only obeying orders and no discretion is allowed with this officer, so he was just avoiding a charge against himself. Stupid order, but then consider the number of security risks posting on this board who are in the DF. So maybe we need a lot tighter security across the board.
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      Say NO to violence against Women

      Originally posted by hedgehog
      My favourite moment was when the
      Originally posted by hedgehog
      red headed old dear got a smack on her ginger head

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      • #4
        RDF going into the Brugha have to be identified all the time (regardless of rank) however this is by a member of their own unit. But rather than having an argument with the poor unfortunate you should have requested the BOS (and the Captain should have requested the Orderly Officer). You would find after many such requests for their attention they would realise the awkardness of the situation.

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        • #5
          In McKee about 3 weeks ago there was a
          new person on the gate, The RDF was being asked for ID( all ranks) as was the PDF and
          I seen a set of civies who were being brough into the mes by a private stopped, one member could only bring in a certain number of guests, fair dues to the person on the gate.

          This week someone else on the gate was looking for ID from RDF members coming into the baracks in uniform but not stopping
          people in civies (who are not PDF)
          If they want to enforse these rules then fair enough but it should be for everone,PDF, RDF
          and especially CIVIES

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          • #6
            This is why one of the motions at the RDFRA conferance called for an ID card for Reservists.

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            • #7
              Please note that I did not enter in to discussion regarding the order with the guy on the gate > Imerely asked who had issued it .I realise that the guy was only carrying out the duty assigned and did not wish to cause him any hassle.

              It just infuriated me to find out taht the particular directive had been issued on 13th of April and this was the fist time I had encountered it.Please note that I have been parading three nights per week and have also carried out a weeks camp since this date and have not once been subjected to this directive. This would appear to be a knee jerk reaction by a moron with no forsight to a very simple soloution.....which will be forwarded to the afore said muppet in writing.....It takes a special muppet to introduce rulings such as this.
              Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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              • #8
                It was the same in McKee a while ago. On parade nights we had queue's around the block but now we just have to sign a book on our way in.

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                • #9
                  Demoralising, pointless, illthought, and annoying. Classic Irish Military bureaucracy
                  Meh.

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                  • #10
                    The same happened in my barracks.
                    The Reserve should be issued with a barracks pass, I don't think that the powers want us to get "ID's" in case these start appearing in the wrong places, i.e. some body trying to get into a night club like the garda do.
                    I was often held up at a gate even one morning I was going into do duty!
                    Its good to have tight security but we need to get in to train!

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                    • #11
                      What a lot of junior members are not aware of when displaying their garda ID when entering a nightclub is that they are informing the owner that they are a Garda available for duty while on the premises,so should there be any trouble,they are expected and obliged to assist. They used to teach us that in the college,obviously they do not any more..


                      Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                      • #12
                        when displaying their garda ID when entering a nightclub is that they are informing the owner that they are a Garda available for duty while on the premises

                        So they don't drink on the premises then. The ID is a free pass to the night club.
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                        Say NO to violence against Women

                        Originally posted by hedgehog
                        My favourite moment was when the
                        Originally posted by hedgehog
                        red headed old dear got a smack on her ginger head

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                        • #13
                          Because of the high turn over in numbers of both RDF and new gate Policemen it is not possible for the gate Policeman to know every one, there for most barracks have a standing order that visitors be identified at the gate and then escorted, that goes for RDF personnel as well,each unit should leave a senior person at the gate to identify there members, as for the civvies entering, well they wont have an oppurtunity to enter the armoury or a gaurd room ( hopefully) and as a former one I know that the worst duty you can ever do is Gate Policeman because your dammed if you do and dammed if you dont,
                          Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                          Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                          The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                          The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                          The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                          Are full of passionate intensity.

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                          • #14
                            was this the gate obeying orders or acting the b****x because you have a green beret ,
                            "who informed me that i could not enter the barracks until I had been positively identified by a PDF member of my own unit. " as if cadre staff have noting else to do
                            fine if there is an id card but your issued none ! the guy on the gate could use his nut in this situation if it quaks like a duck and walks like a duck its probably a reservist
                            "take a look to the sky right before you die, its the last time you will"

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                            • #15
                              As far as I can see it's applied fairly vigorously in the Brugha...

                              it's not done unfairly though .. Mess members IDs are checked also as are anyone the Gate policeman doesn't know personally.


                              Until proper ID is sorted out this will continue .

                              Gone are the bad days with PAs looking for combat tunics with FF on them... now that was Extreme bad
                              "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                              "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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