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  • DeV
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    There is a requirement for 50 days of salmon fisheries patrols a year, such a launch (with NS& NSR personnel) could maybe do that?!

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  • Bitter Boy
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    There is plenty of talk. But you would have to ask the NS as to what their plan is.

    If indeed there really is a plan.

    Or is the plan they are talking about the real plan, while secretly they have developed a different plan?

    Paranoid as well as bitter. I need therapy!

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  • hptmurphy
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    Operational roles which the launches could carry out are : Port security, Security for visiting ships, in-shore patrolling and fisheries patrol, NS diver support, Air Corp support operations (range security boat, sea survival training), Search and recovery
    Ok can go with most of that..but its a while away yet..but true there are tasks there that would release the Naval service from minor roles.

    Are these proposals being considered at any level or are they just your opinions..would be interested to hear if the NS wants the NSR purely as a reserve for ships or is this role of coastal operation and inland harbours etc being seriously being considered?

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  • Bitter Boy
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    I think we are are crossing over to the other thread now but....

    As the NS ambitions drive it further off shore with bigger ships and more international military and humanitarian missions in mind, it would seem logical that the NSR/ NS launch could occupy a role for in shore patroling.

    An NSR launch, crewed by both NS and NSR personnel, which went on 2 week patrols would serve to both carry out an operational role and to bring training levels up in the NSR.

    Operational roles which the launches could carry out are : Port security, Security for visiting ships, in-shore patrolling and fisheries patrol, NS diver support, Air Corp support operations (range security boat, sea survival training), Search and recovery.

    Then there is the general role of NSR training, Raising public awareness, etc.

    As previously discussed, NSR role on NS ships is limited, so a launch which could be skippered and operated by NSR personnel would appear to be the way forward. Certainly FOCNS and the NS have decided that it is the way forward for the NSR.

    Now all they have to do is to get on with it and nip out and buy some before the economy downturns.
    Last edited by Turkey; 17 September 2007, 21:31.

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  • hptmurphy
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    What do the NSR need launches for. On inception the defence of ports required "Darbys" or in spection launches to carry out stop and board operations on vessels entering harbours..this role is no longer required as the service doses not hold a mandate to carry out this type of operation anymore an specialist boarding teams are available to carry out stop and search missions.

    Small boat handling in estuaries and rivers does not have a place aborad ships so what exactly now is the function of these riverine vessels..and more to the point what is the actual role of the NSR or those who can't fulfill appointment abord ship.

    There is only one qualified watch keeping officer in the NSR that I am aware of by virtue of the fact he is a retire N.S. Lieutenant..and a diving officer to boot.

    So would some one please enlighten me to what the NSR does that the NS can't already do its self given that we have agreed that the useful ness of NSR people on ships is severly restricted.

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  • popeye
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    Goplden Rivet at at last the voice of reason

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  • golden rivet
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    Originally posted by popeye View Post
    Techman wrote
    Only NSR Officers will be skippers, not NCOs, I don't agree with this bit this is the Flags decision............

    your not there 'to agree,' if you don't like the rank stucture you can resign your commission

    I think after 20 odd years service I realise this, please don't tell me how to obey the chain of command, I just belive that some NCOs would make better skippers than some Officers. I will as always do as I am told, but I am entilted to my point of view!!!!!

    The new launch will have an OiC as well as a Ccx, I belive. Again nothing is set in stone.
    a good coxn and a good cook everything else is on the lower level of priorities...

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  • popeye
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    Techman wrote
    Only NSR Officers will be skippers, not NCOs, I don't agree with this bit this is the Flags decision............

    your not there 'to agree,' if you don't like the rank stucture you can resign your commission

    I think after 20 odd years service I realise this, please don't tell me how to obey the chain of command, I just belive that some NCOs would make better skippers than some Officers. I will as always do as I am told, but I am entilted to my point of view!!!!!

    The new launch will have an OiC as well as a Ccx, I belive. Again nothing is set in stone.

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  • Goldie fish
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    Most small craft don't have commanders, but Coxwains. I have yet to see a Cox'n who is an officer, However I have seen Plenty of NCOs who were Coxwains.

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  • techman1
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    Only NSR Officers will be skippers, not NCOs, I don't agree with this bit this is the Flags decision............

    your not there 'to agree,' if you don't like the rank stucture you can resign your commission.

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  • popeye
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    The RN ARCHER CLASS are manned by a regular RN crew and are crewed by the RNR. The R is now gone in the RNR and they have no R on their uniforms edither.
    The NSR is getting a launch and this is still all up in air the NS have a full Captain and Eng Commander looking at it. The vessek will be a hugh leap forward for the NSR and its senior pers. Only NSR Officers will be skippers, not NCOs, I don't agree with this bit this is the Flags decision

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  • Test Pilot
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    Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
    Simulated sausages.....hmm could be good for cohlestoral....its all Minnie carrols fault..I never had a fry up with cips etc at four in the morning prior to my first night on QM when he delivered it to me.....tastiest meal I ever had..God Rest him!
    Yeh Murph, Minnie was a gent! A cool one at that.

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  • Test Pilot
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    Originally posted by Bitter Boy View Post
    Sorry. Just back from holiers.

    I must point out that a fair few NSR Officers and NCOs already have Coastal and Off shore yachtmasters.

    RYA Coastal yachtmaster is the standadrd that the RNVR train their people to, so that they can skipper their university boats, which will be the same sort of size and capability of any new NSR launch.
    Sorry Bitter Boy, but while the guys on the top deck might be qualified, who is qualified in the NSR to RUN the ship? i.e. the technicians and engineers. My appologies for being the 'damp squid' again!

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  • hptmurphy
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    Simulated sausages.....hmm could be good for cohlestoral....its all Minnie carrols fault..I never had a fry up with cips etc at four in the morning prior to my first night on QM when he delivered it to me.....tastiest meal I ever had..God Rest him!

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  • Bitter Boy
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    Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
    You'd need a major rejig of NSR training before taking that type of vessel out. Until you have watchkeeping qualified officers in the NSR with something at least akin to a yachtsmasters navigation qualification, that craft would be going nowhere other than the quay wall.
    Sorry. Just back from holiers.

    I must point out that a fair few NSR Officers and NCOs already have Coastal and Off shore yachtmasters.

    RYA Coastal yachtmaster is the standadrd that the RNVR train their people to, so that they can skipper their university boats, which will be the same sort of size and capability of any new NSR launch.

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