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  • As an operational unit would they have exercises. They are taught in basic training and it is built on.

    The teaching of the TTPs for the guys on the boats is as I say less than 2 weeks and that includes their final week long ex which probably totals less than a day of amphibious work. I comparsion the MOWAG Dismounts course is a week I think (maybe less).

    The LC3 Cse (the basic level of crewman is 14 weeks) are obviously longer as they are teaching how to be a crewman on a RHIB, LCVP and LCU, navigation, communications, RYA exams etc. On the 14 week LC2 and LC1, courses they are also teaching them to plan and lead landings etc.

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    • I was worried that it was two weeks and finish. I spent nearly four years as a trainee before been let loose as a sole watchkeeper.

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      • https://warontherocks.com/2017/10/th...has-a-problem/

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        • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
          I was worried that it was two weeks and finish. I spent nearly four years as a trainee before been let loose as a sole watchkeeper.
          The less than 2 weeks is teaching recruits and the equivalent of cadets how to embark/disembark, operate etc from RHIBs, LCVPs and LCUs

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          • Defence reviews and" Value for money" are a way of reducing budgets and cutting numbers. The latter is a military chore forcing stress on those trying to keep shape and capability within formations and fleets. Discarding ships, closing barracks, moving families,losing jobs, changing schools. The UK galley radio is indicating that out of 6 destroyers and 13 frigates , only 4 are operational due to maintenance, training, crew shortages, lack of money.
            The larger Navy in the Gap is also showing signs of neglect. In WARSHIP magazine there is a picture of a Ticronderoga class cruiser looking unpainted, scruffy, heading out on operations. Her water line is reminiscent of a ship out of drydock for five or more years.

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            • The UK galley radio is indicating that out of 6 destroyers and 13 frigates , only 4 are operational due to maintenance, training, crew shortages, lack of money.
              Funny, I said the same thing a number of weeks ago and was nearly lynched....
              Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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              • Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                Funny, I said the same thing a number of weeks ago and was nearly lynched....
                At the outset, irrespective of Marines per se, all troops inserted to AOP's arrive by ship, helicopter, a friendly airport or by chute. The skills in doing this must be part of a sensible training program.
                The RN ship situation is 6 destroyers U/S under repair and one Type 23 Frigate HMS Montrose re-commissioned after a refit to put more hulls seagoing. Major problem today with technical maritime engineer designers is they lack practical maritime environmental experience. They seem to be building showroom and glossy brochure ships instead of ships happy at -50c to + 50c in all sea states.
                Last edited by ancientmariner; 4 December 2017, 09:51.

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                • The RN also has an unusual policy of recruiting tradespeople in their late 30s and early 40s, as direct entrants into the engineering branch, and putting them into areas that have no relevance to their civvy skillset.
                  I know of one mechanic who became a PO on submarines, whose engineering speciality was torpedoes. After three years being away from his wife and grown up kids, he packed it in.
                  German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
                  German 2: Private? I am a general!
                  German 1: That is the bad news.

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                  • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                    As an operational unit would they have exercises. They are taught in basic training and it is built on.

                    The teaching of the TTPs for the guys on the boats is as I say less than 2 weeks and that includes their final week long ex which probably totals less than a day of amphibious work. I comparsion the MOWAG Dismounts course is a week I think (maybe less).

                    The LC3 Cse (the basic level of crewman is 14 weeks) are obviously longer as they are teaching how to be a crewman on a RHIB, LCVP and LCU, navigation, communications, RYA exams etc. On the 14 week LC2 and LC1, courses they are also teaching them to plan and lead landings etc.
                    And on top of that, they then go to 539 Assault and get to bang around the south of England landing trainees on AACC and RM Recruit training for their exercises, or spend time up north in Scotland at the important ports up there... Not to mention Op Cougar on the regular. Whatever about the course length, it's all put into practice on a constant basis too.

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                    • Originally posted by na grohmit� View Post
                      The RN also has an unusual policy of recruiting tradespeople in their late 30s and early 40s, as direct entrants into the engineering branch, and putting them into areas that have no relevance to their civvy skillset.
                      I know of one mechanic who became a PO on submarines, whose engineering speciality was torpedoes. After three years being away from his wife and grown up kids, he packed it in.
                      Aye, but the RN then have a somewhat-trained bod in the first line reserve for when the shit hits the fan.

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                      • Originally posted by barrybadrinah View Post
                        Aye, but the RN then have a somewhat-trained bod in the first line reserve for when the shit hits the fan.
                        There is nothing wrong in recruiting certain trades to fill technical gaps. The main task is to ensure they are professionally absorbed into the system by a suitable new entry course. Policies developed to ring fence specialist entries and exclude them from advancement builds up internal resentment and weakens general morale. The Green/ Blue interface is a matter of continuous training using suitable ships and craft for landing troops and materials. Penny packet demos are just that, a bit like the only guy in the circus that can juggle. We need the capability to move our Forces through all environments as maneuvering units. We have had a history of excluding our reserve from essential maritime based duties. My belief is they should be fully integrated in use.

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