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    HMS Bangor normally based in Glasgow arrived at Derry Quay today as part of the Flight of the Earls 400TH anniversary. Open to the public all weekend. With the accidental discovery of a huge drugs shipment off the south coast it is evident that the Celtic Tiger still hasn't realised that the navy needs substantial investment and expansion. Its a pity that we didn't pick up the 3 Sandowns now practically gifted to a Baltic state. Just as the army sees itself contributing particular skills to the European task force, so the navy could contribrute MCM skills and at the same time greatly enhance our coastal patrols.

    8 PATROL SHIPS ARE NOT ENOUGH!
    Last edited by Sarsfield; 6 July 2007, 20:44. Reason: spelling
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  • #2
    Preaching to the converted..at least we have eight now..there was a time when we had none.
    Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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    • #3
      I very rarely post on Naval Matters because I havent a clue about Naval matters

      but even for an ignormaus like me

      it is evident that there must be gazillions of drugs coming through us and killing kids here

      and in Europe

      we as a Nation have a duty not only to our own kids but also to Europe to vigorously

      defend and patrol our terroritial waters to deter and detect drug smuggling

      it is clear that 8 ships isnt enough- we need to enlarge the Navy, not only in ships but in

      manpower as well
      Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
      Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
      The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
      The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
      The best lack all conviction, while the worst
      Are full of passionate intensity.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
        I very rarely post on Naval Matters because I havent a clue about Naval matters

        but even for an ignormaus like me

        it is evident that there must be gazillions of drugs coming through us and killing kids here

        and in Europe

        we as a Nation have a duty not only to our own kids but also to Europe to vigorously

        defend and patrol our terroritial waters to deter and detect drug smuggling

        it is clear that 8 ships isnt enough- we need to enlarge the Navy, not only in ships but in

        manpower as well
        If the ministers are serious enough they will but we have been through this before and it all died a death the only addition was a customs boat suitable for the shannon, our top naval officers should be pushing not for replacements but more ships but as we all know who gives out promotions and the golden handshake to these people:confused: red tape and yes men. so as far as i can see there will be no change only normal patrolling as the three main players gardai,navy,customs will always stay clear of each other and not work as a dedicated team fulltime to stamp out this smuggling that is going on constantly,,

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sarsfield View Post
          Its a pity that we didn't pick up the 3 Sandowns now practically gifted to a Baltic state.
          Does the INS have a need for Mine Sweepers?

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          • #6
            The Sandowns minesweeping capability was as good as removed long ago.


            Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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            • #7
              Buy rundown minesweepers as IPVs is a step backward. Would take us back thirty years.Would tie up three crews in vessels with very limited abilities.These vessels were designed as mine hunters and sweepers dependant on depot ships for prolonged patrols.

              Crewing Facilities date back to the sixties..same as peacocks.These are minor specialist warships adapted for arole which even the RN has deemed them to be unsuitable for.

              If we want returns for capital expenditure we have to buy vessels that are up to the task required of them.

              Fine for minesweeping operations in the baltic where they are still cleaning up after the cold war.Not patrol vessels..anyway some of them are knocking on twenty years old and so would have a very limited life time in the conditions we would require of any vessel.

              Nice thought but I think not.
              Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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              • #8
                Aren't the sandowns known as the "tupperware navy" or was it another class of sweeper?


                Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                • #9
                  Yup built from GRP..although it was HMS wilton that retains the honour for beingthe firts plastic ship..and she was a ton clas sweeper.
                  Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                  • #10
                    And who is going to man these Vessels? Arent the NS already struggling Manpower wise?

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                    • #11
                      No.
                      No more so than the rest of the defence forces.


                      Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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