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Members of the Honor Guard of the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71) bow their heads in prayer during a burial at sea. Theodore Roosevelt and Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 8 are operating in the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility. (U.S. Navy Photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Apprentice Andrew Skipworth/Released).
Surprising to see in this day and age. I wonder, is there any record of burials at sea in the NS?
You will never have a quiet world until you knock the patriotism out of the human race
Sailor bids farewell to grandfather with burial-at-sea
By MC3 Joey Morgon
February 25, 2009
The American flag waves softly in the morning light as the rising sun creates silhouettes of the colors detail. Heads are lowered, listening solemnly to a prayer for the deceased.
Aviation Ordnanceman Airman John Adam presents USS Theodore Roosevelt's (CVN 71) Commanding Officer Capt. Ladd Wheeler with the American flag during a burial at sea
Tuesday morning, Sailors from USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71) participated in a time-honored Navy tradition—the burial at sea. Each Sailor observing the ceremony could feel a sense of pride and connection with the two deceased Sailors who were privileged with the honor of a burial at sea. "You have a sense of pride to be part of this tradition; it's a big part of the Navy," said Religious Programs Specialist 2nd Class (SW) Yegor Kasatkin, a Sailor from the Command Religious Ministries Department, who helped organize and execute the burial at sea.
One Sailor who quietly observed the ceremony shared a connection with one of the deceased Sailors that runs deeper than the bonds of service. Machinist Mate 2nd Class (SW) Matthew Cain observed his grandfather's remains pass into the sea.
"He [Herm Cain] was always very proud of his Navy service and was proud that I joined," said Cain, reflecting upon his grandfather. "He always enjoyed hard work and a good laugh."
Herm Cain passed away in Washington, where he was born and raised. He was 84. He served in the Navy from 1943 to 1946 aboard the submarine chaser USS SC 1356 (SC 1356) and USS Constellation (CV 64). Upon discharge from the Navy, Herm Cain received the American Area Campaign Medal, World War II Victory Medal and the Good Conduct Medal.
MM2 Cain remembered how happy it made his grandfather to learn about his decision to serve in the Navy. "He wanted to hear all about my deployment," said Cain. "He never shared his stories, but when I joined the Navy he started to open up more. He wanted to share more when I got back from this deployment, so we could both talk about it."
Regrettably, Cain was never able to share his Navy stories with his grandfather. It was due to the efforts of his grandmother and TR's Commanding Officer Capt. Ladd Wheeler that Cain was able to share this final Navy tradition with his grandfather in spirit.
"This is a way of closure for me," said Cain. "I'm third-generation Navy and it is an honor to be able to be a part of this with the Navy being such a large part of my family. "I want to thank my division and especially my leading chief petty officer for the support in getting the burial-at-sea brought to the command's attention. I want to thank the commanding officer for approving of this and allowing me to share this with my family." Those Sailors in the crowd, observing alongside Cain, were struck by the beauty of the ceremony and the emotional pride brought on from sharing the experience with Cain.
"When the sun rose and I saw the silhouettes of the colors detail, it was beautiful," said Kasatkin. "It really struck me.
"It is a nice thing that he [Cain] is doing something that his grandfather did, abiding by the same rules and the same way of life. It's a wonderful family tradition and I'm proud that I could assist him in the burial-at-sea and continue the tradition."
You will never have a quiet world until you knock the patriotism out of the human race
I have never heard of any burials at sea in the service. But from my own experience my own father used to be an Able Seaman on the Sealink Carferry between DunLaoghaire and Holyhead. When he passsed away in 1987 his last wish was to be cremated and his ashes scattered at sea. Sealink were very accommodating at the time. A group of around 12 were given a free pass for a retourn journey. The Captain stopped the ship midway in the passage and a small ceremony was performed on the afterdeck with one of his shipmates doing the honers of scattering the ashes. It brought a tear to the eye. Especially because the wind was coming from astern and some of the ashes blew back onto the assembled party. True story.
I have never heard of any burials at sea in the service. But from my own experience my own father used to be an Able Seaman on the Sealink Carferry between DunLaoghaire and Holyhead. When he passsed away in 1987 his last wish was to be cremated and his ashes scattered at sea. Sealink were very accommodating at the time. A group of around 12 were given a free pass for a retourn journey. The Captain stopped the ship midway in the passage and a small ceremony was performed on the afterdeck with one of his shipmates doing the honers of scattering the ashes. It brought a tear to the eye. Especially because the wind was coming from astern and some of the ashes blew back onto the assembled party. True story.
Has to be true - you couldn't make up a story like that !!!
"Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"
Burial at sea is allowed in very limited circumstances- firstly permission is required from the Department of the Marine and you have to state how and where you are going to sea bury the deceased- the dept will at your expense send a Marine Officer out to conduct a survey of the area and this will include a tide and wind charts and the possibility of the body being washed ashore- this last happened in 1991 –
Once that is complete you then have to apply to the Coroner for a certificate for removal out of Ireland
The Dublin County Coroner has expressed his opinion that he will not under any circumstances grant such a certificate for burial at sea- he will and all the other Coroners concur allow ashes to be scattered at sea and he tries to talk families into this.
No matter what Coroner is involved it is illegal to bury at sea a body that has been embalmed
Appendix D-02 of the Department of the Marine covers Burial at sea and permission is granted under S66(1) of the Merchant Shipping Salvage act 1993
I was reading something and the above was in it and I always knew it would one day come in handy
granted I read it a few years ago
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
I note that the burial party have old style M1 carbines, They look a lot better than a modern assault rifle for this type of duty, What are the views of board members
I note that the burial party have old style M1 carbines, They look a lot better than a modern assault rifle for this type of duty, What are the views of board members
those be M14's and yes they look good, nothin like wood and steel for drill,
but the stance looks like a boy band dance routine is about to kick off.....
But there's no danger
It's a professional career
Though it could be arranged
With just a word in Mr. Churchill's ear
If you're out of luck you're out of work
We could send you to johannesburg.
the last man to be buried at sea from the tidal and inland waterways of the DMP was an inspector
Aubery Richard
who conincedentally happened to be the great uncle of a now defunct Wendy Richard
his remain were lowered just off bay side sutton but they floated in twoards the coast
on a high tide until the remains ollided with the outgoing mail ferry
his remains sunk or so it was thought just out from what was then called BaySide east in Sutton
but is now recovered land more properly known as ST Agathas estate in Sutton- when the foundations
for no 44 were being dug - a body was discovered but the Coroner an ex Royal Naval Accountant
on seeing the nose sewn up realied as to what the story was and researched the point and concluded
as to what happened= Inspector Richard was cremated and his ashes were sprinkled over the site of his old HQ on the Alexendra basin in 1963
IN 1965 the land around Alexandra Basin was reclaimed so Insp Richard has a dubious distinction-
Now here is the spooky part- No 44 St Agethas wa at first owned by a Mr Patrick J Massey of the funeral fame
and then sold to a Dr Kevin Farrel the brother of the current Coroner who later sold the property to one Ian Dempsey from Today FM
Mr Dempsey before he was on the den was working fas an assistant for a British tv production firm that produced are you being served
he became quiet friendly with Wendy Richard and she even stayed a couple of times at his house
the place where her great uncle;s remains came to rest
spookyyyyyyyyy or what
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
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