EPV for naval service

[na grohmiti]

It isn’t what we are looking for in an MRV but …. Balanced fleet….

too big for our requirements

Too big on one hand, but without the vehicle lane metres and vehicle ramp of the original concept. Not to mention we'd be at the back of the build queue with babcock.

[ias]

Too big on one hand, but without the vehicle lane metres and vehicle ramp of the original concept. Not to mention we'd be at the back of the build queue with babcock.

Or maybe it could be built in Poland and fitted out in Scotland...

[paul g]

The key to what they want is in the choice of houlder as advisors. see what the did on littoral strike strike and the missions of the future not 2003

[na grohmiti]

The key to what they want is in the choice of houlder as advisors. see what the did on littoral strike strike and the missions of the future not 2003

Houlder will have zero say on what is chosen, their purpose is to ensure the process complies with regulations and standards from start to finish. Their role is project management only.

[na grohmiti]

Or maybe it could be built in Poland and fitted out in Scotland...

Poland are building their own.
Forget it. PUT IT OUT OF YOUR MIND. It's unsuitable for a multitude of reasons. If we wanted a frigate we'd be buying a frigate. We aren't.

[na grohmiti]

Multi Role Support Ships – the future of Royal Navy amphibious capability | Navy Lookout
Interesting timeline mentioned here, given the demand on yards for the UK/NL project will be prioritised over any other contracts. Keep in mind Babcock were fabricating sections of the RN Aircraft carriers while building our P61.

[na grohmiti]

Delay to Irish Naval Service's new Multi-Role Vessel tender raises affordability questions


11th September 2023 - 17:30 GMT | by Tim Fish in Auckland
RSS
The fate of the former INS flagship LÉ Eithne is yet to be decided. Local media reports that the ship will become a museum attraction in either Dublin or Cork. (Photo: via author)

An expected tender for the procurement of a new Multi Role Vessel (MRV) for the Irish Naval Service (INS) this year has yet to emerge.

Shephard reported last year that a review was being completed on the concept of operations and specifications requirements for the MRV in advance of a tender release in 2023.

However, a spokesperson from the Irish Department of Defence told Shephard that whilst the MRV project is 'under way' there remain other concurrent strands of work that need to be completed.

These include 'the finalisation of the initial steps of the approvals process, in particular the Preliminary Business Case to inform decision-making which will inform the next steps in this project', the spokesperson explained.



The MRV will replace the INS’s former 84m-long 1,920t flagship LÉ Eithne, which was decommissioned in July 2022 alongside its two Peacock-class patrol vessels LÉ Ciara and LÉ Orla.

UK company, Houlder is leading a multidisciplinary team of consultants to support he project team with industry expertise. The spokesperson added that Houlder also supports the Public Spending Code requirements and 'the running of the tender competition'.

The spokesperson also confirmed that preliminary market consultation is under way as a normal part of the pre-tendering phase of a project and that 'some engagement' with shipyards has already been conducted.

'There will be further market engagement before the finalisation of the specification of requirements and the publication of a tender to the market,' the spokesperson added.

The procurement budget for MRV is slated at €200 million ($220.3 million) but there are doubts if the project is affordable. Entering service in 1984, Eithne was due to retire next year after the introduction of the MRV, however, with a tender yet to be released it is unlikely that a new ship will be delivered by next year. In the meantime it is likely that savings were needed so an early retirement of Eithne was accepted.

Meanwhile in May 2023 the INS took delivery of two former Royal New Zealand Navy (RNZN) Lake-class inshore patrol vessels (HMNZS Rotoiti and HMNZS Pukaki). The pair are completing a refit and upgrade and are expected to enter service in 2024 replacing the capabilities lost with the retirement of the Peacock-class ships.

The Irish government White Paper on defence calls for a re-capitalisation of the INS with the replacement of older ships with new vessels and plans to operate a total of 12 modern craft.

Delay to Irish Naval Service's new Multi-Role Vessel tender raises affordability questions | Shephard (shephardmedia.com)

This does not sound good at all.

[Sparky42]

Delay to Irish Naval Service's new Multi-Role Vessel tender raises affordability questions | Shephard (shephardmedia.com)

This does not sound good at all.

Nope, if this is floating now then it’s out of the budget and another year gone with nothing.

[na grohmiti]

Nope, if this is floating now then it’s out of the budget and another year gone with nothing.

I don't think its even as good as that.

[Rocinante]

Well it was a nice idea while it lasted.

[na grohmiti]

Well it was a nice idea while it lasted.

I'm saying 04? Went to RFP in 06. The failed proposal from KMW for NZ was the original inspiration, much was learnt from the NZ experience. The final vessel was quite ambitious, but within our abilities.. in 2006 anyway.

[ias]

Taking an optimistic view, maybe, due to the vastly changed international security picture since the mid-2000s, i.e. the external threats to our island and its underwater infrastructure, in addition to the reduction in the number of UN missions we participate in, emphasis may be changing from looking for a logistics biased MRV to the “‘Tier 3’ type OPVs i.e. fully integrated and combat orientated platforms providing multi‐asset integration in a defensive role” as proposed in LoA 3 from the Commission on Defence.

Or, more than likely, we’re back to the same old story from the Government/DoD that we can’t afford defence.

[na grohmiti]

Taking an optimistic view, maybe, due to the vastly changed international security picture since the mid-2000s, i.e. the external threats to our island and its underwater infrastructure, in addition to the reduction in the number of UN missions we participate in, emphasis may be changing from looking for a logistics biased MRV to the “‘Tier 3’ type OPVs i.e. fully integrated and combat orientated platforms providing multi‐asset integration in a defensive role” as proposed in LoA 3 from the Commission on Defence.

Or, more than likely, we’re back to the same old story from the Government/DoD that we can’t afford defence.

I definitely think this is the future. We'll have to draw a line under the MRV for now, get hulls back in the water, and start planning what we'll replace the P50s. They weren't built as strong as the P20s and won't last nearly as long. The P50s and P60s also brought very little in terms of capability over the P20s, apart from electro optics, and a main armament that was too large to be of any use.

[na grohmiti]

Koreans brought this design (model) to DSEI in London this week.

145m LOA, 25m Beam, only slightly larger than the Vard offering. Odd I thought they would bring this design to a European show. Note also the basic sensor & comms fit. No Phased array or integrated masts. Well deck as well as Vehicle deck. She's calling it an LPD while also pushing it for HADR.

[EUFighter]

Koreans brought this design (model) to DSEI in London this week.

145m LOA, 25m Beam, only slightly larger than the Vard offering. Odd I thought they would bring this design to a European show. Note also the basic sensor & comms fit. No Phased array or integrated masts. Well deck as well as Vehicle deck. She's calling it an LPD while also pushing it for HADR.

Remember that the Makassar-class from Indonesia started as a Korean design, that has not only been put into service with Indonesia but Peru, Malaysia, Myanmar, UAE & the Philippines in modified variants.