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  • #31
    Sweepers would roll an a wet dishcloth

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    • #32
      Just remembered this,
      Originally posted by pmtts
      Project Khareef covers the design, build and supply of three 99 metre Offshore Patrol Vessels and associated equipment and services, including integrated logistics, such as handbooks and training, for the Royal Navy of Oman.

      The first of these three vessels, the Al Shamikh was recently launched at the BAE shipyard in Portsmouth.

      I wonder would Oman like a few more?


      Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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      • #33
        I don't want to cause confusion but I think this is relevant to the discussion:

        VT had been attempting to diversify into engineering and support services after selling their shipbuilding business to BAE Systems in 2009. Earlier this year Babcock mounted a successful take-over bid for the new VT Group and the merger is currently under way. This should make the bigger company more able to compete with BAE.

        I don't think this will make much difference to the existing contract with T&T, though it will affect the liquidity of Babcock and whether they could hypothetically extend or delay payment from the NS or not.

        http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...cock-vt-merger
        Last edited by macca; 25 September 2010, 21:06.
        There seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today Chatfield
        Admiral of the Fleet David Beatty, 1st Earl Beatty GCB OM GCVO

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        • #34
          Would not be the first time we got Vosper Thorneycraft ships if it happened as the old minesweepers were built by VT.
          Go back further..MTB s were Vt built.

          Buying these repos is not a good idea.They are not to the spec we require. It would be the same scenario when we bought the Peacocks.They were cheap and not the ideal choice although the Peacocks did introduce us to the 76mm OTO melara.

          Everything in the NS is now geared around operating its own design of ship. The basics mights a ppear the same but Roisin and Niamhs standard fit is the foundation for ships of the future. To deviate from this fit out and layout would cause noting but confusion and cost more money as we go down the line of training on yet another type.

          Given the P50s are optimal in their class any progression in the future can only take that perfection further, buy some elses cast offs not designed specifically for our NS is a waste of money.

          The NS has invested hugely in the past ten years to get what they want, to ge tit in service and keep it at sea as opposed to taking handouts.Ok we'll have to wait but the wait will be worth it.

          Anything other than driving on for the intended goal would a retrograde and would be seen that the NS were again desperate enough to take hand outs in the form of second hand non specific vessels.

          The Peacocks have paid for themselves 10 times over and will be around for some time, while not a natural progression from the sweepers they arrived at a time where memories of sweepers and their conditions had not faded.If you were to introduce them now they wouldn't be acceptable. If we had crewed them as the sweepers had been designed to be crewed with quay side accomadation they would have been better but we never real got to that concept.

          back on thread,Nice oppertunity for someone, but it shouldn't be Ireland.

          Good time to be starting a Navy as the German are off loading four Frigates and a fleet of Fast attack craft along with 6 submarines.Greece has traditionally be a good customer for German off loads although I doubt they have the cash this time round.

          And before some one mentions it...no we don't need them either.
          Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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          • #35
            Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
            Everything in the NS is now geared around operating its own design of ship. The basics mights a ppear the same but Roisin and Niamhs standard fit is the foundation for ships of the future. To deviate from this fit out and layout would cause noting but confusion and cost more money as we go down the line of training on yet another type.
            In that case there should have been enough options on the OPV/EPV tender to replace all the vessels that will need to be replaced in the coming years.
            Last edited by DeV; 26 September 2010, 12:42.

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            • #36
              There is.


              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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              • #37
                In that case there should have been enough options on the OPV/EPV tender to replace all the vessels that will need to be replaced in the coming years.
                Thats the plan.. not my Plan but the NS, every thing is being geared toward a greater degree of commonality , even to to the outsider this is obvious.
                Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                • #38
                  Interesting to note something similar happened with Brunei back in 2005.

                  BAE took one of the richest men in the world, the Sultan of Brunei, to an arbitration court in Paris in a dispute over a similar contract regarding three naval ships. BAE Systems was contracted to build the three offshore vessels for the Royal Brunei armed forces at a cost of £500 million to £600 million.
                  All three ships were completed, but the Sultan refused to accept them on the ground that they did not meet the agreed specifications.
                  BAE Systems took Brunei to arbitration and the matter was settled three years later in the company's favour and the remaining value of the contract was paid by Brunei. Brunei subsequently took steps to have the vessels sold.

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                  • #39
                    I remember they had a German company involved in selling them on, but never heard what happened.
                    Weren't they more "Naval" than the T&T vessels?

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                    • #40
                      Yeah, they were an updated version of the Type 21 Frigate.


                      Brunei do not plan to comission them. Lurrsen is trying to sell them.


                      Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Stoker View Post
                        I remember they had a German company involved in selling them on, but never heard what happened.
                        Weren't they more "Naval" than the T&T vessels?
                        They were three 95m F2000 Corvettes that were eventually sold to Algeria by Lürssen, on behalf of Brunei.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                          Thats the plan.. not my Plan but the NS, every thing is being geared toward a greater degree of commonality , even to to the outsider this is obvious.
                          Given that the P50s are now nearly 10 years old and it is poss that ship machinery esp digital control and sensor systems have moved on,that the makers of the machinery for the P50s have shut or being swallowed up,then the desire for commonality with the existing P50s may not now be possible.
                          It is also poss that the three repos may in fact have common machinery/systems with the P50s and equally poss that the three repos share same machinery as the Babcock tender.Should any of the above be factual then ,subject to the speed/space/stability etc of the repos being of a viable standard would thet not deserve further consideration?

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                          • #43
                            No. They are designed for the carribean, not the North Atlantic.


                            Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
                              No. They are designed for the carribean, not the North Atlantic.
                              Fair enough ,sustained service in Carribean would dictate need for air con etc but the Carr gets its fair share of big weather too.
                              In any event one of the ships has been working up in this region and any shortfallings would be on the record.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
                                No. They are designed for the carribean, not the North Atlantic.
                                Here is a helpful site which allows different oceanic regions to be selected to compare differing sea states.

                                The North Atlantic is right up there.

                                http://www.oceanweather.com/data/

                                "When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love."


                                Marcus Aurelius Roman Emperor (161 to 180 A.D.)

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