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  • #31
    Originally posted by lordinajamjar
    I was browsing the web looking for possible future candidate ships that could be added to the Irish Navy and I came across the SAAR 5 Missile boat produced for the Israeli Navy. See link: http://www.idf.il/english/organization/navy/saar5.stm
    These are coastal vessels and probably have little if any sleeping accommodation and certainly not enough space for a three week cruise in December.

    They are also small and probably top heavy.
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    • #32
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      • #33
        You have to accept that vessels designed for use in mediterranian waters are for the most part unsuitable for use in the Atlantic.

        I take your comments seriously and respect that your first hand knowledge on this subject is far greater than mine.
        Hardly,but I have been in the wish list game for so much longer than most...All suggestions are welcome,but you have to be able to support your choices.
        Reducing vessel quantity to save money also results in reduced availability.


        Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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        • #34
          Everyone seems to think you are really Old Goldie....why do you suppose that is?
          Fail to prepare....prepare to FAIL!

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          • #35
            He's not old just world weary
            Dr. Venture: Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?

            Dr. Venture: Dean, you smell like a whore

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            • #36
              Ireland Wed, Nov 25, 98

              Irish waters unprotected, submission says
              State `surrendering sovereignty' over a marine resource worth £30bn annually

              By LORNA SIGGINS, Marine Correspondent

              Drug-smugglers have more than 20 times a greater chance of reaching the lucrative European market via the Irish maritime corridor, according to a Naval Service submission on the Government's White Paper on Defence.

              Not only is Ireland ignoring international obligations to protect Europe's second-largest sea area, but it is virtually surrendering sovereignty over a marine resource worth £30 billion annually, according to the submission. Fraud among commercial fishing fleets in Irish waters is running at "hundreds of million of pounds".

              The submission, to be published at the annual conference of the Representative Association of Commissioned Officers (RACO) in Galway tomorrow, says maritime policing is ignored by all four relevant Departments.

              Surprisingly, the sea policing dimension receives no mention in the strategy statements published by the Departments of Defence, Justice, Marine and Natural Resources and Environment. It also notes that the service has been subject to four reviews since 1989, "all of which have been effectively shelved".

              Ireland's expenditure on maritime policing is the lowest in Europe, at approximately 0.1 per cent of GDP, compared to a western European average of 0.4 per cent of GDP, it says.

              Belgium has a marine designated area 200 times smaller than Ireland's, but is committed to spending four times more on its naval service.

              This put the value that we as an island nation placed on our maritime protection in perspective, the RACO naval committee adds.

              The seven-ship Naval Service is not empowered at present to implement many new pieces of international legislation to which Ireland is bound, including conventions on pollution and dumping, safety of life at sea and protection of mineral resources, the submission continues.

              Over 90 per cent of this island's territory lies under water, and recent estimates place a market value of £2 billion annually for fish caught and £30 billion annually for the ecological value of the marine designated area overall. It says the maritime areas of responsibility are such that policing today is equivalent to two Garda patrol cars for the whole island, compared with a European average of more than 20.

              Referring to the drugs threat, the submission says "all international indicators and police-based intelligence suggest that the coast of Ireland is a major trans-shipment area for importation".

              During the trial over the seizure of £20 million worth of cannabis from the yacht Brime, the defence had said that the level of maritime patrolling off the Belgian, British and French coasts made it unsafe to traffic narcotics there.

              On anti-pollution responsibilities, the submission notes that the State does not have sufficient specialist capability for search and recovery, salvage, pollution control and hydrographic surveys. "With no State-owned ocean-going tug capacity, it is inevitable that Ireland will pay the price of a serious tanker incident," similar to the grounding of the Sea Empress off Milford Haven.

              The RACO naval committee proposes a phased plan of fleet expansion between the years 2000 and 2015, complemented by sufficient additional trained personnel. By 2010 the fleet should comprise eight high-endurance patrol vessels, four medium-endurance patrol vessels, eight low-endurance vessels, two special craft for towing, pollution control and diving support, and one sail training ship. By 2015 the fleet should be fully equipped for a naval/ coastguard role, it says.

              © The Irish Times

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              • #37
                well i think we all know that no one can plan for the future in the dod
                Dr. Venture: Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?

                Dr. Venture: Dean, you smell like a whore

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                • #38
                  Brunei have bought I believe 3 mako frigates shrunk down to corvette size which are pretty well armed (asm,sam,fcs) maybe we could look at something like that, and GF you said you heard something about a large ship after Emer is paid off, you know a lot more about naval matters then me so do you think theres anything in it :-patriot:
                  Dr. Venture: Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?

                  Dr. Venture: Dean, you smell like a whore

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                  • #39
                    Thought I may give this another airing...


                    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                    • #40
                      What about troop transports? Heard a rumour that the Navy were loking at a Blue/Green Ship, capable of carrying troops and transport/Helis.

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                      • #41
                        I heard that also. I think I mentioned it somewhere else here?


                        Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                        • #42
                          hello goodbye
                          Sarsfield
                          Private 3*
                          Last edited by Sarsfield; 18 November 2004, 00:34. Reason: should have been private reply to Goldiefish
                          Sarsfield

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                          • #43
                            I recall reading that Smithy mentioned (before he 'retired') something to the effect of getting "3-4 small fast patrol boats to help combat drug smugglers" ?

                            I wonder was he referring to the Custom Service or NS ?
                            IRISH AIR CORPS - Serving the Nation.

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                            • #44
                              I am Guessing its the Customs service. Their boat is the first of a few,depending of course on how successful Surbheir Proves to be. However while it has a NS Skipper,there is always the chance that it will become a NS asset..
                              It's based a short distance from Haulbowline.


                              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                              • #45
                                Let the speculation end here.

                                The following is the schedule for replacement of the current fleet(apart from Roisin and Niamh).

                                OPV Offshore Patrol Vessel
                                P21 L.E.Emer Replacement date 2007
                                P22 L.E.Aoife Replacement date 2008
                                P23 L.E Aisling Replacement date 2009

                                HPV Helicopter Patrol Vessel
                                P31 L.E.Eithne Replacement date 2013

                                CPV Coastal Patrol Vessel
                                P41 L.E Orla Replacement date 2013
                                P42 L.E Ciara Replacement date 2014

                                It is expected to cope with the Multiple retirements during 2013-2015,there will be times when the fleet consists of 9 or 10 vessels, for short periods, but the Fleet will be maintained at 8 modern ships.

                                It is also worth mentioning that L.E Emer suffered severe mechanical difficulties during the recent exercises off the coast, and her replacement is considered a matter of urgency, with the Blue/green concept being pushed as the most suitable option, even if the repklacment will require a significant investment.

                                To quote the NS pamphlet where i got this information,
                                NPV New Patrol vessels Specification to be decided in consultation with Internal and External stakeholders
                                Public/private partnership perhaps?


                                Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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