CPV Replacement

[Anzac]

Your shop is a bit far away. Good offer.

It is a bit far away but getting them back to Ireland on the delivery cruise would be a brilliant journey.

I have plotted the course. Taking both vessels. A Kiwi-Irish mixed crew or each take one vessel each and sailing from Auckland and heading north to Rarotonga for a couple of nights at Wilson's Beach Bar, then up to Pearl and the bars in Honolulu, across to Coronado NB San Diego, then down to Panama and then through the Panama Canal to Mayport Fl, then north to with a stop in Boston on the way then onto Halifax NS, and finally across the last stretch to Cork.

That would be the highlight of any Naval career and be the stuff of legends which it sadly probably will be

[na grohmiti]

Naah. Stick both on a heavy lifter and head west. Time it right and you are leaving in southern hemisphere autumn to arrive northern hemisphere in spring.

[Anzac]

Naah. Stick both on a heavy lifter and head west. Time it right and you are leaving in southern hemisphere autumn to arrive northern hemisphere in spring.

That is far too sensible. And not much fun either ...

[Laners]

Naah. Stick both on a heavy lifter and head west. Time it right and you are leaving in southern hemisphere autumn to arrive northern hemisphere in spring.

How much would that cost ?

[ropebag]

They're only little boats, they'd probably fit in a C-17...

[spider]

2 x Scimitar class patrol vessels? (They returned from Gib to the U.K. earlier this year)

They were originally designed and built in the early 90s for use by the Royal Marines on OP LAWFUL, to counter PIRA ambitions to shot down a military helicopter departing RAF Aldergrove, from a boat, on Lough Neagh. I was never on them but my brother was; I think beyond a basic galley / heads and seating for passengers theres no accommodation. And I think I read somewhere that their engines were becoming problematic. Whilst they are a useful asset, I don't think they'd be suitable for the type of tasking being talked about by the Irish Government.

[ibenji]

Isn't it a sad state of affairs that we are have to resort to purchasing several second hand done-deal vessels to carry out the required role. Its not as if no one was expecting brexit. This is disgraceful lack of preparation and our navy deserves better. Do we expect any better from the dept of defence our indeed the Government

[DeV]

Isn't it a sad state of affairs that we are have to resort to purchasing several second hand done-deal vessels to carry out the required role. Its not as if no one was expecting brexit. This is disgraceful lack of preparation and our navy deserves better. Do we expect any better from the dept of defence our indeed the Government

In fairness, it is possibly cutting the cloth to measure, we don’t have the crews to man 2 Peacocks (which are due for replacement) so short to medium term use 2 vessels with smaller crews will deliver results quickly.

Doesn’t address the implosion of retention in the NS of course.

Plus also gives the modular MCM market time to mature a bit more

[Sparky42]

In fairness, it is possibly cutting the cloth to measure, we don’t have the crews to man 2 Peacocks (which are due for replacement) so short to medium term use 2 vessels with smaller crews will deliver results quickly.

Doesn’t address the implosion of retention in the NS of course.

Plus also gives the modular MCM market time to mature a bit more

It may also be the Government holding off on pulling the trigger until they could be certain about what level of disruption there was going to be between the Fishing fleets.

[EUFighter]

Isn't it a sad state of affairs that we are have to resort to purchasing several second hand done-deal vessels to carry out the required role. Its not as if no one was expecting brexit. This is disgraceful lack of preparation and our navy deserves better. Do we expect any better from the dept of defence our indeed the Government

It is path for the course, the government will still be saying there is time for a deal at 23:30 on 31 Dec! That will be until someone points out that Brussels is one hour ahead and there it is already 1 Jan!

The issue has been raised here several times over the past few years but even here the majority were looking at the land border and still are. The worst thing that can happen now is a "knee" jerk purchase as any vessels is likely to be with us for 10-20 years if second hand and 35 years if a new build. Crewing is an issue and so they must be considered as an early replacement of the Peacocks and should bring something more than just a fisher protect vessel. The importance of the Irish sea and the connections under it are as important if not more important than the traffic above and way more important that the issue of fishing post-Brexit.

But as all thing military it will be ignored until after the horse has bolted.

[EUFighter]

A look around the EU navies shows a number of MCMV laid up and available, in addition to the RNZN and RDN patrol vessels.

Navy	Class	Length	Beam	Draught	Displacement	No. Avail.
RNZN	Lake Class	55m	9m	2.9	340t	x2
Danish	Flyvefisken	54m	9m	2.5m	450t	x3
Swedish	Landsort	47.5m	9.6m	2.2m	360t	x2
Italian	Lerici	50m	9.6m	2.9m	635t	x2
German	Hameln	54.4m	9.2m	2.5m	635t	x3
French	Tripartite	51.6m	8.9m	3.8m	606t	x2
Dutch	Tripartite	51.6m	8.9m	3.8m	606t	x2

[ancientmariner]

A look around the EU navies shows a number of MCMV laid up and available, in addition to the RNZN and RDN patrol vessels.

Navy	Class	Length	Beam	Draught	Displacement	No. Avail.
RNZN	Lake Class	55m	9m	2.9	340t	x2
Danish	Flyvefisken	54m	9m	2.5m	450t	x3
Swedish	Landsort	47.5m	9.6m	2.2m	360t	x2
Italian	Lerici	50m	9.6m	2.9m	635t	x2
German	Hameln	54.4m	9.2m	2.5m	635t	x3
French	Tripartite	51.6m	8.9m	3.8m	606t	x2
Dutch	Tripartite	51.6m	8.9m	3.8m	606t	x2

Pay attention Europe, including UK, all those with two boats for sale keep your hands up, and show your training packages .

[The Blue Max]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/118882303/hmnzs-rotoiti-and-pukaki-briefly-advertised-for-sale-on-australian-website

From early in 2020.. the two NZ ships certainly look the part and of course the close relationship our two militaries have could be interesting too..

[EUFighter]

Pay attention Europe, including UK, all those with two boats for sale keep your hands up, and show your training packages .

There are 2 decommissioned Hunt class vessels with new engine but seeing how the Greek have just lost one I would expect at least 1 will go to Greece as a replacement.

[Egbeygia]

Just to end speculation, it is the RNZN Lake-class, but it's a decision that is creating a serious amount of disquiet on Haulbowline between those who are just happy to have the Peacocks replaced at all and those who realise that these ships are at best a status quo replacement and at worst, tears up the White Paper as regards the proposed CPV replacement as MCM-capable etc and a genuine step change in NS capability.