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No Navy can withstand transient political meddling. The IPV's were doomed to failure when their use became mostly civilianised, working for Police, Coast Guard, Fisheries. There was a question of restrictions in boat deployments at sea state 4, but expected to survive up to sea state 8. What happens if you get caught out in the Southern Ocean Storms . It might indeed be better in an inland sea but that is a question of investigation and trial.
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Medsailor, would one of the the NZ ships suit the needs of the AFM?
Looking at the specs they seem similar in size, speed, displacement, etc. to the P61.
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Originally posted by Sparky42 View PostIt might be a bit of a stretch from the CPV topic I admit, but I see that New Zealand has issues with their IPV's with suggestions that they will be sold off (the Government is claiming performance issues, some claiming it's crewing issues) and replaced with an OPV:
Honestly I never really understood the logic of the IPV's for their position.
Interesting:
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Originally posted by Sparky42 View PostThey were going with them until the project went pear shaped, they cancelled it and went with the Seahawks, leaving them with the company that have now managed to get New Zealand to buy them.
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Originally posted by hptmurphy View PostCost of upgrade exceeded the value. Australians have Seahawk so why would they want to back pedal to a 50 year old design!
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Originally posted by sofa View PostI think the Australians have given up on trying to get those Seasprites operational, if memoiry serves me right. or 'am I thinking of something else.?
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Originally posted by sofa View PostI think the Australians have given up on trying to get those Seasprites operational, if memoiry serves me right. or 'am I thinking of something else.?
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Originally posted by Sparky42 View PostHere's a rebuttal from the NZ Labour Spokesman blaming the crew issues:
In relation to the Seasprites, they are actually getting new old ones, decommissioning their 5 and replacing them with 8 I models from the cancelled Australian order
http://www.defensenews.com/story/def...ters/83020886/Last edited by sofa; 16 April 2016, 00:03.
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Originally posted by hptmurphy View PostOuch! Their latest batch of ships all round for the past 10 years have been an an un precedented disaster, Starting with a Frigate force with very limited capabilities, a car ferry with a flight deck that loses it boats and rolls on wet grass and OPVs that were less than optimal.
Who is at fault, Navy , Politicians or designers?
And don't forget buying reconditioned anti submarine helicopters that the USN moved on from 20 years ago.
Staff shortages - not lack of need - is why the Navy’s inshore patrol vessels are not being put to sea, Labour’s Defence spokesperson Phil Goff says.
"Defence Minister Gerry Brownlee is deliberately misleading New Zealand in suggesting otherwise. Half of the new fleet has languished at port and have not gone to sea for years. ...
"Gerry Brownlee knows these facts and is therefore being dishonest in saying that the patrol vessels are not being used because they are not needed. ...
"Gerry Brownlee is arrogant and out-of-touch. It’s time the Government put in charge of Defence a minister who shows some interest in the portfolio and a commitment to our armed forces being able to carry out the roles the country needs it to," Phil Goff says.
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Originally posted by Sparky42 View PostIt might be a bit of a stretch from the CPV topic I admit, but I see that New Zealand has issues with their IPV's with suggestions that they will be sold off (the Government is claiming performance issues, some claiming it's crewing issues) and replaced with an OPV:
Honestly I never really understood the logic of the IPV's for their position.
Who is at fault, Navy , Politicians or designers?
And don't forget buying reconditioned anti submarine helicopters that the USN moved on from 20 years ago.
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It might be a bit of a stretch from the CPV topic I admit, but I see that New Zealand has issues with their IPV's with suggestions that they will be sold off (the Government is claiming performance issues, some claiming it's crewing issues) and replaced with an OPV:
Honestly I never really understood the logic of the IPV's for their position.
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I looked through my Jane's Fighting Ships 1986/87 yesterday, and there on page 234 in its discussion of the replacement of the Tons it stated that they were looking at acquiring 2 Alkmaar class Mine hunters from the Dutch.
Fast fowards 30 years and all those "Tripartite" minehunters needing replacement there might be a common european design that the NS might seek to acquire.
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