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  • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Shortly after her entry into service, L.E. Deirdre bore the Pennant number FP-20. Not sure when the F was painted over, but it was like it was intended as a constant reminder: don't get any notions.
    She also had a blue and yellow quartered pennant welded on both sides of her funnel and also flew the pennant on her yard arm.

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    • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
      She also had a blue and yellow quartered pennant welded on both sides of her funnel and also flew the pennant on her yard arm.
      Like every other Defence Forces asset used in Fisheries Enforcement.

      https://images.app.goo.gl/2nN4Fyck5K9GhbfW9

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      • Originally posted by TangoSierra View Post
        Like every other Defence Forces asset used in Fisheries Enforcement.

        https://images.app.goo.gl/2nN4Fyck5K9GhbfW9
        The casa has always been a fishery protection asset first and foremost. This was not the case with the NS. The ships were also supposed to provide part of the defence of the state. The casa is not an armed aircraft. When the NS carries out this duty today the Pennant is flown on the RHiBs being used for boarding.
        I have seen the Permanently painted pennant on the french customs cutters also.

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        • Originally posted by TangoSierra View Post

          Like every other Defence Forces asset used in Fisheries Enforcement.

          https://images.app.goo.gl/2nN4Fyck5K9GhbfW9
          The intended message was that the 4 Funded ships were for FP only and that GFE equipment was going to be from stock. Eventually permanent markers were removed and Fishery Pennant was flown when interacting with FV's. Custom cutters can board ships for customs inspections whenever and wherever they can, probably restricted to riverine areas due to size and endurance..CG helicopters are on SAR contract and I'm not sure of their suitability for general surveillance without being on call to a casualty.

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          • https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...18166?mode=amp

            Undersea cable owners seek injunctions preventing fishermen trawling

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            • Looks like we may be getting two ex New Zealand Navy boats as well.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...go_Harbour.jpg
              Last edited by Brian McGrath; 6 April 2021, 15:04.

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              • The operational use of these vessels by the RNZN was to some degree weather dependent. It will be critical that they are allocated dedicated berthage, to come and go at will. The geographic extent of their patrol areas should preclude solo adventures up the west coast in winter. They would need a certain amount of minding.

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                • Are those likely to be brought to Cobh by NS crews...or piggy-backed on a merchant ship?

                  If the former that would be the trip of a lifetime...good for retention.
                  'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins

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                  • Originally posted by spider View Post
                    Are those likely to be brought to Cobh by NS crews...or piggy-backed on a merchant ship?

                    If the former that would be the trip of a lifetime...good for retention.
                    Piggyback. They would have to make too many fuel stops on the return trip, and hug coastlines where piracy is a big issue. Not really a good idea on a grey boat with no visible armament.

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                    • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                      The operational use of these vessels by the RNZN was to some degree weather dependent. It will be critical that they are allocated dedicated berthage, to come and go at will. The geographic extent of their patrol areas should preclude solo adventures up the west coast in winter. They would need a certain amount of minding.
                      That's not really accurate.
                      The NZ issue was they have too much southern ocean to patrol, the same crew shortages as us, and crew priorities with their ANZAC frigate, new AOR, MRV and OPVs. the 2 other vessels were fine for their intended role, but 2 too many. They will be replaced with OPV types, we have been told.
                      No different to the Peacocks, (similar in size) fine for inshore work, but the Peacocks usefulness on the west coast diminished many moons ago. They will have plenty to do on the Irish sea.
                      Never mind Dublin, Arklow has about a half KM of quayside with easy access to the Irish sea, and possibly half the cost of living in Dublin. Wicklow too. Same story. May need some dredging. All the former naval officers working for Waterways Ireland can look after that. Their commercial usefulness has diminished in recent years so I'm sure the Wicklow local authority would be delighted to pass the quayside, and associated derelict buildings to the DoD if necessary.

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                      • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post

                        Piggyback. They would have to make too many fuel stops on the return trip, and hug coastlines where piracy is a big issue. Not really a good idea on a grey boat with no visible armament.
                        Is going across the Pacific an option? Through the Panama Canal?
                        'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins

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                        • Originally posted by spider View Post

                          Is going across the Pacific an option? Through the Panama Canal?
                          Not with a range of 5500km. Even island hopping, the run from French Polynesia to Galapagos or any Pacific coast post in the americas is well outside 6000km. Run into any delays and you are out there with Amelia Earhart. Take into account also you'll be going from Southern hemisphere Autumn to Northern Hemisphere Spring, either avoiding pacific storms that way or if you delayed it till Southern Hemisphere spring you'd be facing into the Caribbean storm season in a vessel never designed for it.
                          Piggy back. Faster in the long run.

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                          • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post

                            Not with a range of 5500km. Even island hopping, the run from French Polynesia to Galapagos or any Pacific coast post in the americas is well outside 6000km. Run into any delays and you are out there with Amelia Earhart. Take into account also you'll be going from Southern hemisphere Autumn to Northern Hemisphere Spring, either avoiding pacific storms that way or if you delayed it till Southern Hemisphere spring you'd be facing into the Caribbean storm season in a vessel never designed for it.
                            Piggy back. Faster in the long run.
                            Originally posted by Anzac View Post

                            It is a bit far away but getting them back to Ireland on the delivery cruise would be a brilliant journey.

                            I have plotted the course. Taking both vessels. A Kiwi-Irish mixed crew or each take one vessel each and sailing from Auckland and heading north to Rarotonga for a couple of nights at Wilson's Beach Bar, then up to Pearl and the bars in Honolulu, across to Coronado NB San Diego, then down to Panama and then through the Panama Canal to Mayport Fl, then north to with a stop in Boston on the way then onto Halifax NS, and finally across the last stretch to Cork.

                            That would be the highlight of any Naval career and be the stuff of legends which it sadly probably will be
                            This lad has already sailed it, in his mind though. Not sure where the fuel is coming from...

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                            • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post

                              That's not really accurate.
                              The NZ issue was they have too much southern ocean to patrol, the same crew shortages as us, and crew priorities with their ANZAC frigate, new AOR, MRV and OPVs. the 2 other vessels were fine for their intended role, but 2 too many. They will be replaced with OPV types, we have been told.
                              No different to the Peacocks, (similar in size) fine for inshore work, but the Peacocks usefulness on the west coast diminished many moons ago. They will have plenty to do on the Irish sea.
                              Never mind Dublin, Arklow has about a half KM of quayside with easy access to the Irish sea, and possibly half the cost of living in Dublin. Wicklow too. Same story. May need some dredging. All the former naval officers working for Waterways Ireland can look after that. Their commercial usefulness has diminished in recent years so I'm sure the Wicklow local authority would be delighted to pass the quayside, and associated derelict buildings to the DoD if necessary.
                              There is a procurement plan for 1 OPV to replace 2 IPVs. They are referring to it as an Southern Ocean Patrol Vessel (SOPV)

                              https://www.defence.govt.nz/what-we-...patrol-vessel/


                              Future of the Inshore Patrol Vessels
                              195. Operational experience has confirmed that specific tasks required of the naval patrol force are better conducted by offshore patrol vessels than inshore patrol vessels, particularly in the South Pacific, due to their longer range, endurance and embarked aviation capability.
                              196. Two inshore patrol vessels will be withdrawn from service and disposed of immediately, leaving two vessels to meet the demands of domestic patrols within the exclusive economic zone. Prior to the Southern Ocean Patrol Vessel coming into service, which will give greater capacity to the offshore patrol fleet, the future of the remaining two inshore patrol vessels will be reassessed. Indicative dates: Initial two vessels withdrawn from service – 2020

                              https://www.defence.govt.nz/assets/U...-Plan-2019.pdf



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                              • Originally posted by Brian McGrath View Post
                                Looks like we may be getting two ex New Zealand Navy boats as well.

                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...go_Harbour.jpg

                                If these are bought I wonder what will the fate of the Peacocks be? Is there enough life left in them, to be of interest to the Philippines, who operates 2 also? They are withdrawing some of their older ships that date back to the 1940's, surely these would be an affordable step up.

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