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  • na grohmiti
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    Why say you so?

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  • DeV
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    16 kts max speed
    12% bigger draught than the Peacocks
    20 tonne bollard pull

    Not suitable
    A PV needs 20 kts min, if we want a CPV then a similar draught to the Peacocks and we would be looking at a 500 tonne bollard pull to be anyway useful (1000 tonne is what we need)

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  • spider
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    Looks good...two (or more) birds...one stone etc

    Therefore easier to justify to the bean counters (hopefully)

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  • na grohmiti
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    There are off the shelf designs. Damen do a larger type, however many of the offshore support ships would be suitable. All are fitted with daughter craft as standard, all are stable in horrible seas, though the Damen are 90m, but there are similar smaller types in use. Like KV Nornen for example.


    Or a similar type SHV Olav Tryggvason

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  • spider
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    So is there anything 'off the shelf'...or are we talking a custom built design.

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  • na grohmiti
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    Ocean Going tug or something in that ilk seems the ideal option to me.

    They have excellent manoeuvrability in confined waters, and many are already in service in other navies and coast guards, mostly those with an emerging Oil industry.

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  • ancientmariner
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    CPV replacement would require something capable of patrolling all waters of the Irish Coast while operating independently. They would need a basic range at 12 knots of about 2250 n.m or 7 to 8 days continuous steaming. They would accommodate up to 30/35 crew and trainees. Carry suitable inspection/interdiction craft. Be capable of speeds up to 25knots. Armament suggested 30mm Bushmaster with FCS and 2x20mm. Full navigation and detection suite for surface and air. Length probably 60 metres. Adaptable for containerized systems as required.

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  • spider
    started a poll CPV Replacement

    CPV Replacement

    69
    Like for like (a similarly capable CPV)
    31.88%
    22
    1-2 x OPVs (2 defending on available funds)
    56.52%
    39
    Larger number of much less capable patrol craft)
    11.59%
    8
    I've been a follower of the debate on here around the re-building programme for the Irish Navy...the need for an EPV...the fact that CPV's are probably needed to police the inshore fisheries around the various bays and inlets etc etc.

    Then the recent refugee crisis in the Mediterranean...and the decision to deploy the UK Border Agency Cutters got me looking at the Damon Stan vessels.

    Operated by services as diverse as the UK Border Agency...the United States Coastguard...the Mexican Navy...are these or a version of them a potential replacement for LE Orla and LE Caira?

    They seem to be reasonably priced ($5.37 million per US Ship 4.94 million Euros) ...could these be an option to allow funds to be diverted into the much required larger patrol vessel / EPV?

    Are they capable of doing the job...I've attached a couple of youtube videos showing their handling in moderate seas...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xftrxGL8S48

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruZGPJoxOUA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9uj028MH5E

    The US Coastguard version is armed with a 25mm Bushmaster canon...but only has a 5 day endurance as opposed to the unarmed UK version of 12 - 14 days.

    http://www.oig.dhs.gov/assets/Mgmt/2...2-68_Aug12.pdf

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKBF_42m_Customs_Cutter

    I have photos somewhere of one of the UKBA Cutters alongside Belfast docks...I'll try to find them.

    I'll leave any discussion in the hands of those who know what they are talking about
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