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  • Originally posted by Auldsod View Post

    It'll be interesting to see if one will be stationed on the east coast now as proprosed.
    I thought both were going on the east coast?

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    • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post

      I thought both were going on the east coast?
      They have most of a year to sort the logs of that out now, given the time it will take to re-certify the ships and transport them here.
      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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      • Great news. May this also offer the opportunity to replace the second hand Rhino’s with either Mauser 27 MLG or Leonardo 30 Marlin remote weapon stations, as the primary forward weapon on the new “P70’s” and secondary weapons on the P50’s / P60’s. Any thoughts?
        Sarsfield

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        • Originally posted by Sarsfield View Post
          Great news. May this also offer the opportunity to replace the second hand Rhino’s with either Mauser 27 MLG or Leonardo 30 Marlin remote weapon stations, as the primary forward weapon on the new “P70’s” and secondary weapons on the P50’s / P60’s. Any thoughts?
          Isn’t there a procurement process underway for their replacement anyway?

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          • Originally posted by Sarsfield View Post
            Great news. May this also offer the opportunity to replace the second hand Rhino’s with either Mauser 27 MLG or Leonardo 30 Marlin remote weapon stations, as the primary forward weapon on the new “P70’s” and secondary weapons on the P50’s / P60’s. Any thoughts?
            MSI D25 maybe? I believe they are already plumbed for them (Our NZ friend may be able to confirm when back in our timezone) plus they are the same weapon as fitted to Cavalry Mowags. NZ just upgraded their OPV fit to the Rafael Typhoon so who knows what's lyin about in stores...

            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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            • RNZN press release

              https://www.nzdf.mil.nz/news/two-for...ic-of-ireland/

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              • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post

                MSI D25 maybe? I believe they are already plumbed for them (Our NZ friend may be able to confirm when back in our timezone) plus they are the same weapon as fitted to Cavalry Mowags. NZ just upgraded their OPV fit to the Rafael Typhoon so who knows what's lyin about in stores...

                Is the MSI DS25 not fitted with a 25mm Bushmaster while the MOWAGs have the bigger 30mm version?

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                • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post

                  Is the MSI DS25 not fitted with a 25mm Bushmaster while the MOWAGs have the bigger 30mm version?
                  I genuinely keep getting mixed up as which is which.
                  For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                  • Firstly congratulations to the Naval Service on buying a couple of good ships in good condition at a very good price.

                    Of course we wont see their replacement which was due 2023 has now been pushed out to 2027. No information on who is doing the refit and recommissioning. Assuming it is Babcocks (NZ) at the naval dockyard doing he work, but it may go back to Whangarei yard - no local announcement surrounding that.

                    Originally was conceived to have the 25mm Mk 38 mod 2 in RNZN service. A similar generic 25mm-30mm gun should be able to be installed and integrated.

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                    • Thanks ANZAC.
                      The public commentary on this has been interesting.
                      In NZ:
                      We should never have sold them, the reserve/(insert maritime organisation here) could have had them
                      Another bad decision make by Helen Clark
                      We should have sent them to Tonga/any other pacific island nation
                      Ireland will only use them to harass fishermen.

                      In Ireland
                      We cant crew them
                      They'll join the other ships on the quay wall
                      we could spend the money on health/housing/old people/puppies instead
                      They are useless without a gun
                      the Kiwis thought they were rubbish, why do we have them
                      More brown envelopes for Simon
                      Useless for Irish Waters.
                      Why is the work being done in NZ, why not let someone here do it.
                      We should have got Holland class OPV instead.
                      etc

                      We are a nation of Cranks. But its great to see how much in common we have with our brothers on Middle Earth.
                      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                      • You find most cranks on places like Facebook and in Newspaper columns. Plenty of muppets everywhere.

                        We only ever needed two IPV's and not four and with respect to OPV's we needed four and only got two. Politician budget caps the obvious issue.

                        Looking forward to seeing them up and sailing in the Irish Sea and now the attention can be turned towards the Eithne replacement.
                        Last edited by Anzac; 15 March 2022, 06:33.

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                        • Originally posted by Anzac View Post
                          You find most cranks on places like Facebook and in Newspaper columns. Plenty of muppets everywhere.

                          We only ever needed two IPV's and not four and with respect to OPV's we needed four and only got two. Politician budget caps the obvious issue.

                          Looking forward to seeing them up and sailing in the Irish Sea and now the attention can be turned towards the Eithne replacement.
                          Hopefully the 2nd hand purchase helps speed up the process

                          can the Lake class carry any TEUs?

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                          • Originally posted by DeV View Post

                            Hopefully the 2nd hand purchase helps speed up the process

                            can the Lake class carry any TEUs?


                            A bit of a squeeze, and the mooring pins/bits are probably in the way.
                            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                            • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                              can the Lake class carry any TEUs?
                              No. But one of the ideas explored but never put into practice was instead of using both davits for the two 7.3m RHIB's, the idea was to sail with just one and use the other davit to launch and recover a UUV.

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                              • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                                In Ireland
                                We cant crew them
                                They'll join the other ships on the quay wall
                                we could spend the money on health/housing/old people/puppies instead
                                They are useless without a gun
                                the Kiwis thought they were rubbish, why do we have them
                                More brown envelopes for Simon
                                Useless for Irish Waters.
                                Why is the work being done in NZ, why not let someone here do it.
                                We should have got Holland class OPV instead.
                                etc

                                We are a nation of Cranks. But its great to see how much in common we have with our brothers on Middle Earth.
                                Typical response to military spend in this country
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                                What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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