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    • Originally posted by A/TEL View Post
      It was trialed last year in various roles. P62, College, Dockyard, Ops etc etc.
      So not actually a competition with several suppliers putting forward various ideas as to what would be suitable .
      Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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      • Originally posted by Laners View Post
        So not actually a competition with several suppliers putting forward various ideas as to what would be suitable .


        AFAIK Tailored Images have the current contract for operational unforms for the DF as a whole.

        Therefore they were the supplier from what i am aware of.

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        • Originally posted by Chuck View Post
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          • Originally posted by A/TEL View Post
            AFAIK Tailored Images have the current contract for operational unforms for the DF as a whole.

            Therefore they were the supplier from what i am aware of.
            Nope. Seyntex have the Operational uniforms contract. T.I has the ceremonial uniforms contract.
            "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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            • Originally posted by apod View Post
              Nope. Seyntex have the Operational uniforms contract. T.I has the ceremonial uniforms contract.

              They must also have had the GDR contract as TI tags on all of that.

              I wonder so if Syntex have the NS DPM contract too as it has beed defined as an Operation Uniform with its brother in green.

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              • Originally posted by A/TEL View Post
                They must also have had the GDR contract as TI tags on all of that.

                I wonder so if Syntex have the NS DPM contract too as it has beed defined as an Operation Uniform with its brother in green.
                As you probably know the uniform contracts run in three year cycles from time of award of tender. NSV DPM wan't tendered for as part of the operational uniform competition. OGP might have asked TI to "tag it on" to a contract extension as up to three one year extensions are allowed under the current tender. Also as the new uniform is made with a specialised material perhaps there were proprietary issues and the NS/TI/OGP didn't want it being shared with Seyntex??

                A separate competition hasn't been run for NSV DPM so it must be an "add on" on an existing contract.
                "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                • Originally posted by apod View Post
                  As you probably know the uniform contracts run in three year cycles from time of award of tender. NSV DPM wan't tendered for as part of the operational uniform competition. OGP might have asked TI to "tag it on" to a contract extension as up to three one year extensions are allowed under the current tender. Also as the new uniform is made with a specialised material perhaps there were proprietary issues and the NS/TI/OGP didn't want it being shared with Seyntex??

                  A separate competition hasn't been run for NSV DPM so it must be an "add on" on an existing contract.
                  Looks like all naval uniforms was part of Lot 1 in the tender (LOT 1: Provision of Service Dress and Operational (SD1) Uniforms) which went to Tailored Image and in the tender document it does say this:

                  12.2 During the Term of the Goods Contract operational imperatives may necessitate
                  alteration/amendment to the Design and Fabric Specifications in Appendix 1B of this RFT for any
                  of the Goods. The alteration/amendment of the Goods listed in the Design and Fabric
                  Specification shall not incur any additional or further costs to the Contracting Authority.

                  https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Suppli...ase/108470/1/0
                  https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/pu...7&AllowPrint=1
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                  • Just had a look at the documents. No mention of the specs for the NSV DPM in the the Navy Uniform lot. I reckon the above clause was invoked to change from the original shirt/trouser specs to the new ones.
                    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                    • Is there a smock ?
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                      • Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                        Is there a smock ?


                        Yes.

                        Black barrack jacket being withdrawn along with black and yellow rank sliders.

                        Grey nametags and rank sliders.

                        Jumper is remaining unfortunately....

                        Modern uniform with a 1980s navy jumper

                        Navy foul weather jacket also remaining.

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                        • How long before the smock ends up as building site wear?
                          Very strange decision to retain the jumper, when so many other more militarily practical options are there, such as fleece layers. Are there dark base layers or are the originals being retained?
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                          • The Barrack jacket is being withdrawn because it is not flame resistant and cannot be worn below decks. The jumper is being retained because it is made from wool which is and can.
                            All this info was up on IKON for months while the new uniform was being developed.
                            "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                            • Originally posted by apod View Post
                              The Barrack jacket is being withdrawn because it is not flame resistant and cannot be worn below decks. The jumper is being retained because it is made from wool which is and can.
                              All this info was up on IKON for months while the new uniform was being developed.

                              But inside the new smock during the trial in big letters was "not fire retardant"

                              Is the actual one different?.

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                              • Yes. Trials variant was made from normal material to test the cut etc .The issue version is FR throughout. Apparently. (It better be as that was another of the reasons used to justify the move to the new uniform)
                                "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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