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  • ropebag
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    Originally posted by sofa View Post
    What the F£$k is a "pongo" when it's in Ireland?
    Handsome, witty, charming...

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  • apod
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    The additional cost will be larger yes initally, but it will be cost effective over time.
    Yup. That's going to be a morale booster for the lads." Lads we cant afford to pay you a decent wage or provide you with proper accomodation but here's a more expensive uniform,that'll cheer you up".Tell that to the Families and see what reaction you get.


    Many of who commented here will not wear this kit.

    What it looks like from your armchair is irrelevant, what its like to wear 200 miles off the west coast on operations is the important thing.
    Oh. Nicely dismissive.So you can post about a wasteful vanity project from YOUR armchair,but if anyone criticizes from theirs then they are some kind of keyboard warrior??Really?? That of course assumes that anybody who criticizes wasting taxpayers money dressed up Operational neccessity hasn't got many years of operational experience under their belt and can recognise Military BS when they hear or see it.



    Originally posted by Chuck View Post
    I must say the most satisfying fallout from the new Navy DPM is how much it will upset the hardened office Pongo's.

    The more Ikon posts the better.
    Just proven the point.This uniform has ZERO to do with Operational effectiveness and it just about the NS wanting to be Different.All this of course when the NS is on it's knees and the money that will be spent on this could be better spent on improving the lot of the few people you have left.Yup.Crack on.Good leadership there.

    Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
    I note the Australian Navy and Airforce are changing to Blue DPM and the Dutch seem to DPM for boarding operations. However I don't really care once the issue is fit for purpose and if DPM is of close pitch pattern. Corporate identity is important both ashore and afloat. The Navy needs proper provision and possibly might be better doing so from direct allotted resources.
    A quick google search proves that is not the case for the RAN.https://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...-the-mmpu.html So.Yeah they are sticking with Camo but if you look you can see reflective strips on both arms on the current and trials uniforms.Why bother having a Camo uniform at all if you are going to do that??Kinda dfeats the purpose of having Camo at all really.

    Again you have also proved my point.This is more to do with the NS wanting to be different than a real need. So to reiterate.By all means update the NS GDR to make it more effective AND user friendly.Just don't waste money on a useless new pattern at a time when it would be a massive own goal.
    Last edited by apod; 14 August 2019, 20:25.

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  • sofa
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    Originally posted by Chuck View Post
    I must say the most satisfying fallout from the new Navy DPM is how much it will upset the hardened office Pongo's.

    The more Ikon posts the better.
    What the F£$k is a "pongo" when it's in Ireland?

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  • ancientmariner
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    Originally posted by apod View Post
    Really? MM seems to have found a away around that with the extra ship even though there wasn't enough people to crew it.

    Ah no. I just did a quick search and France,Germany,The Netherlands,Spain and Portugal all have a plain navy or blue uniform.


    So issue an updated version of the Plain Navy smock and associated underlayers that the NS experimented with a few years back for day to day use and a set of normal DPMs for ranges etc.No need for a bespoke pattern that is going to cost Johnny and jane taxpayer more. You did hit the nail on head though. This has nothing to do with Operational effectiveness it is driven by two core factors.Corporate Identity( An NS Tally on the Shirt/smock and a BFO tricolour cant do this???) and most important of all to the NS : "We don't want to look like the Army!"

    PS: Here what the Yanks are going for now:
    https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-...able-and-free/
    I note the Australian Navy and Airforce are changing to Blue DPM and the Dutch seem to DPM for boarding operations. However I don't really care once the issue is fit for purpose and if DPM is of close pitch pattern. Corporate identity is important both ashore and afloat. The Navy needs proper provision and possibly might be better doing so from direct allotted resources.

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  • hptmurphy
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    So ALL items of DF get are going to be flame resistant /retardant now.is that correct?Not just the UBACS and T-Shirts?? A bit overkill seeing as the DPM shirt is now being classed as Barracks wear
    I always agreed that flame retardant issued gear should be available to anyone working in armoured vehicles, especially crews. How you go about issuing it or quantifying it is problematic but it is a must.

    Many of who commented here will not wear this kit.
    I for one am glad we are finally getting a quality uniform that we can layer up/down depending on time of year, AO etc.
    What it looks like from your armchair is irrelevant, what its like to wear 200 miles off the west coast on operations is the important thing.
    While not in favour of the pattern I would agree that this work wear in modular format is long overdue

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  • DeV
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    Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Cost is not an issue when it comes to manufacturing these uniforms.
    The contractor just has to threaten its staff that unless they complete the irish order for 2000 different colour uniforms in time they won't get their wifi back and their parents will be called before the factory manager...
    That’s the cost of manufacturing.... not the cost to the customer

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  • DeV
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    Originally posted by A/TEL View Post
    The additional cost will be larger yes initally, but it will be cost effective over time.

    Less issued than the current GDR which is initial issue of 4 shirts, 4 pants.
    The material is to be used for all DF so the cost of all DPM both Army and Navy will be increased initally.
    But being of better quality along with a new kit policy will ensure personnel look after their personal kit.

    Many of who commented here will not wear this kit.
    I for one am glad we are finally getting a quality uniform that we can layer up/down depending on time of year, AO etc.
    What it looks like from your armchair is irrelevant, what its like to wear 200 miles off the west coast on operations is the important thing.


    The last few weeks with the high temperatures wearing GDR has been a nightmare, sweating profusely.

    Only on trial this year, so it may not happen at all or may go through significant changes depending on performance on said trial.
    I think you’ll find it difficult to find someone who doesn’t agree that the current GDR isn’t fit for purpose (from what has been said here and elsewhere).

    It is the fact it will be in a new pattern of DPM.

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  • apod
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    The material is to be used for all DF so the cost of all DPM both Army and Navy will be increased initally.
    So ALL items of DF get are going to be flame resistant /retardant now.is that correct?Not just the UBACS and T-Shirts?? A bit overkill seeing as the DPM shirt is now being classed as Barracks wear.Also Experience has shown that making Garments FR makes them HOTTER to wear so make up your minds.
    But being of better quality along with a new kit policy will ensure personnel look after their personal kit.
    Better quality my Fainne.Has anybody looked at the right arm of any of their DPM shirts lately? Even brand new ones barely worn.The material under the arm near the armpit gets worn away.Even faster with the 2016-2017 shirts due to the velcro on end of the nametag rubbing against it during the day.As for a new kit policy.There is one already. You put in for kit.Six months later you are still waiting for it because stores shuts down to kit out every recruit platoon and every overseas rotation.
    So the simple policy is if you get it at all your lucky!

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  • Chuck
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    Originally posted by A/TEL View Post
    The additional cost will be larger yes initally, but it will be cost effective over time.

    Less issued than the current GDR which is initial issue of 4 shirts, 4 pants.
    The material is to be used for all DF so the cost of all DPM both Army and Navy will be increased initally.
    But being of better quality along with a new kit policy will ensure personnel look after their personal kit.

    Many of who commented here will not wear this kit.
    I for one am glad we are finally getting a quality uniform that we can layer up/down depending on time of year, AO etc.
    What it looks like from your armchair is irrelevant, what its like to wear 200 miles off the west coast on operations is the important thing.


    The last few weeks with the high temperatures wearing GDR has been a nightmare, sweating profusely.

    Only on trial this year, so it may not happen at all or may go through significant changes depending on performance on said trial.
    I must say the most satisfying fallout from the new Navy DPM is how much it will upset the hardened office Pongo's.

    The more Ikon posts the better.

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  • A/TEL
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    The additional cost will be larger yes initally, but it will be cost effective over time.

    Less issued than the current GDR which is initial issue of 4 shirts, 4 pants.
    The material is to be used for all DF so the cost of all DPM both Army and Navy will be increased initally.
    But being of better quality along with a new kit policy will ensure personnel look after their personal kit.

    Many of who commented here will not wear this kit.
    I for one am glad we are finally getting a quality uniform that we can layer up/down depending on time of year, AO etc.
    What it looks like from your armchair is irrelevant, what its like to wear 200 miles off the west coast on operations is the important thing.


    The last few weeks with the high temperatures wearing GDR has been a nightmare, sweating profusely.

    Only on trial this year, so it may not happen at all or may go through significant changes depending on performance on said trial.

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  • na grohmiti
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    Cost is not an issue when it comes to manufacturing these uniforms.
    The contractor just has to threaten its staff that unless they complete the irish order for 2000 different colour uniforms in time they won't get their wifi back and their parents will be called before the factory manager...

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  • Flamingo
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    Well, on reflection, cost can't be an issue, in view of the millions handed back each year by DoD. At least some of it may as well be spent.

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  • hptmurphy
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    Originally posted by Truck Driver View Post
    Actually come to think of it, a navy blue version of the uniform in the original picture could also be used by our colleagues in Baldonnel
    Thus, cutting down on the number of uniforms required in stores (only need DPM for Army, a navy blue for Air Corps / NS)
    Make it hard wearing, and it could also be suitable for use by the aircraft techs?
    Economies of scale, as someone mentioned above
    How could you even think of such a think you charlatan...share kit with an opposing service.... how dare you.... treachery!

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  • hptmurphy
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    Originally posted by Laners View Post
    Regardless as to what outfit is decided on, when it comes to doing painting and decorating and mucking around in the engine just throw on a pair of overalls for the job , duh .
    Think back ffs.. we were lucky to have what we stood up in....never mind Gucci stuff for painting such as overalls

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  • Truck Driver
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    Actually come to think of it, a navy blue version of the uniform in the original picture could also be used by our colleagues in Baldonnel
    Thus, cutting down on the number of uniforms required in stores (only need DPM for Army, a navy blue for Air Corps / NS)
    Make it hard wearing, and it could also be suitable for use by the aircraft techs?
    Economies of scale, as someone mentioned above

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