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  • Truck Driver
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    Originally posted by apod View Post
    Here what the Yanks are going for now:
    https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-...able-and-free/
    Actually quite like the colour scheme and cut of that uniform
    Thought gone into that, to be fair

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  • apod
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    Of course I will defend the NS position. Remember most of what is got from the Master's table comes through a green sieve.
    Really? MM seems to have found a away around that with the extra ship even though there wasn't enough people to crew it.
    As I said I do not like the large pattern disrupted coloration and would have no problem with proven naval dress from other European navies. They all seem to struggle with producing a sensible dress but the emerging consensus seems to be a form of DPM.
    Ah no. I just did a quick search and France,Germany,The Netherlands,Spain and Portugal all have a plain navy or blue uniform.

    The Brits will always be traditional. We were too-when I joined the working rig was ARMY Orangey/Brown jacket and pants with brass buttons, both the ratings and the navy disliked it. The main problem to be overcome is that a blue shirt and pants needs to have other elements added to it for cold weather, range practices, boat work, boarding, etc. etc. It was always locally adapted to make up for lack of provision. Try and get it right this time and model dress for each of the tasks required on board and ashore.
    So issue an updated version of the Plain Navy smock and associated underlayers that the NS experimented with a few years back for day to day use and a set of normal DPMs for ranges etc.No need for a bespoke pattern that is going to cost Johnny and jane taxpayer more. You did hit the nail on head though. This has nothing to do with Operational effectiveness it is driven by two core factors.Corporate Identity( An NS Tally on the Shirt/smock and a BFO tricolour cant do this???) and most important of all to the NS : "We don't want to look like the Army!"

    PS: Here what the Yanks are going for now:
    https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-...able-and-free/

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  • na grohmiti
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    Aussies had grey overalls up to around 2006, as their normal.uniform. appropriate rank marking and garment worn underneath, appropriate to climate of their AO. They changed to the grey camo pattern, again makes sense in some of their inshore waters.
    I think though, what the NS were trying to achieve. Everyone wears Navy workwear these days. Customs, Firemen, Civil Defence, most HGV mechanics, most telecommunication contractors. It's the default workwear colour.
    The NS have chosen workwear that is instantly identifiable in a mass of navy coloured uniforms, who is actually Navy.
    It's well overdue. I'm sure we'll grow to like it in time.

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  • Laners
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    Regardless as to what outfit is decided on, when it comes to doing painting and decorating and mucking around in the engine just throw on a pair of overalls for the job , duh .

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  • hptmurphy
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    Grey won't work at sea, far too much exposure to oil and grease pain't etc....will become stained and dirty too fast.Not sure what the problems are with the colouring of the current rig...but it doen't show up the dirt as much as old blue and navy stuff. What ever material, pockets etc are required juts add them to the current set up and run it off in a single colour...in suitable material..and make it modular

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  • DeV
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    Most navies are plain blue.

    What would be wrong with a single colour (blue or grey) uniform?

    Nothing and it would be cheaper.

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  • ancientmariner
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    Originally posted by apod View Post
    Did you actually read my post above or are you just jumping to defend this stooooopid idea out of blind loyalty to the NS?? I clearly said that while this proposed DPM uniform is a massive waste of money and a vanity project the need still clearly exists for the NS working uniform to be massively updated. New material,flame resistant properties and Branding to distinguish our personnel from other agencies.That can all be achieved WITHOUT designing and paying for a new DPM pattern that isn't needed.
    And just to clarify all the recent NS uniform shirts have a Tri-colour and NS tab fitted as standard so yes.We do contract for those.
    I have read the literature on the IKON proposing this uniform and the various requirements.With regards the Technical specs it is impressive and a massive step up from what is on issue now.If they just wadied the stupid pattern and produced it in Navy or even plain grey(NS ships are grey are they not?) it could actually be something good.
    Of course I will defend the NS position. Remember most of what is got from the Master's table comes through a green sieve. As I said I do not like the large pattern disrupted coloration and would have no problem with proven naval dress from other European navies. They all seem to struggle with producing a sensible dress but the emerging consensus seems to be a form of DPM. The Brits will always be traditional. We were too-when I joined the working rig was ARMY Orangey/Brown jacket and pants with brass buttons, both the ratings and the navy disliked it. The main problem to be overcome is that a blue shirt and pants needs to have other elements added to it for cold weather, range practices, boat work, boarding, etc. etc. It was always locally adapted to make up for lack of provision. Try and get it right this time and model dress for each of the tasks required on board and ashore.

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  • apod
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    Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
    Barracks yourself. If the Irish Navy issue was styled the same as the RN issue with covered button line and pants and shirt with matching blended colour then we probably wouldn't be having this proposal. Blue is a hard colour to survive laundry. Our contracts would never be for matching shirts and pants with shirt complete with Navy and National markings. The RN have been stumbling through various remakes with light shirts and darker pants. They have now gone for a single matched colour yet to be proved to survive constant laundry. What ever we do the working duty dress must be smart and survive the I WOULDN'T BE SEEN DEAD IN THIS even in B*****ks.
    Did you actually read my post above or are you just jumping to defend this stooooopid idea out of blind loyalty to the NS?? I clearly said that while this proposed DPM uniform is a massive waste of money and a vanity project the need still clearly exists for the NS working uniform to be massively updated. New material,flame resistant properties and Branding to distinguish our personnel from other agencies.That can all be achieved WITHOUT designing and paying for a new DPM pattern that isn't needed.
    And just to clarify all the recent NS uniform shirts have a Tri-colour and NS tab fitted as standard so yes.We do contract for those.
    I have read the literature on the IKON proposing this uniform and the various requirements.With regards the Technical specs it is impressive and a massive step up from what is on issue now.If they just wadied the stupid pattern and produced it in Navy or even plain grey(NS ships are grey are they not?) it could actually be something good.

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  • hptmurphy
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    Originally posted by Truck Driver View Post
    Only one size FF cap badge nowadays for NS O/SEA, A/SEA, LS ranks in the NS - the larger one usually seen on Army berets
    The smaller one has been discontinued
    Which is inherently wrong as the smaller badge was specifically designed for the NS Dress Cap. The larger badge encroaches on the black tally band with the word Eire on it, this should not be the case. To be worn correctly the front of the cap has no to be deformed to get the badge fixed to it without encroaching.

    Originally the NS cap badge was cloth to get around this problem. the smaller badge needs to be retained.

    Now for the DPM... will overalls be used to engine room and persons painting to keep this kit stain free. Anyone has served at sea will know how easily clothing becomes stained when working in proximity with engines and paint!

    Why re invent the wheel when blue / navy working dress has existed as long as the NS, the only issue being the quality.... and if we want to be really pedantic.. the Army pattern OG working dress was actually a copy of the NS gear....

    I don't really understand why this gear is needed when the money could be better spent in other areas...…...if they want to spend it on uniforms they badly need to look at the No 1s jacket,,, shapeless, pleats and seams all over the place for something that was originally intended to be worn as a pullover..... and all the collars are too big for the blue jean collars

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  • ancientmariner
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    Originally posted by apod View Post
    1/ I never said the problems the DF face were created by the NS.Far from it and yes you are right the recent controversy has given us ammo to use.My point is that the optics of this are terrible. "NS spends X amount on new uniforms while sailors live on ships when alongside etc etc".

    2/ Agreed.Yet there are already two different versions of subdued tricolour on issue and not just for "them".Oh and the tricolour on the NSV-DPM was deliberately left hi-viz.

    3/ B*****ks. The RN doesn't seem to have that problem.Even this morning I was watching a Sky news interview with a female USN ships Captain. Plain navy uniform with necessary bells and whistle to ID her as USN. Simple. Are you telling me that anyone looking at these Sailors below wouldn't know they were Navy??
    Barracks yourself. If the Irish Navy issue was styled the same as the RN issue with covered button line and pants and shirt with matching blended colour then we probably wouldn't be having this proposal. Blue is a hard colour to survive laundry. Our contracts would never be for matching shirts and pants with shirt complete with Navy and National markings. The RN have been stumbling through various remakes with light shirts and darker pants. They have now gone for a single matched colour yet to be proved to survive constant laundry. What ever we do the working duty dress must be smart and survive the I WOULDN'T BE SEEN DEAD IN THIS even in B*****ks.

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  • hptmurphy
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    Originally posted by Laners View Post
    Me neither , I've known many in the Navy who could hide onboard a ship and not be found for days and that was without camouflage .
    Dislike in error...

    Was that not what fan rooms were for ?....hiding and sleeping.. emergency steering flat was my favourite hideout

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  • CTU
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    Originally posted by Laners View Post
    Kid's super hero pyjamas , that's what it looks like . Knew it would come to me eventually.
    It took me a while but then I remembered where I saw it before, The Street Fighter movie

    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/...xNw@@._V1_.jpg

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  • golden rivet
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    Originally posted by DeV View Post
    It needs to be functional (hard wearing, keeps its colour, breathable, flame retardant etc etc) while being smart. But as per the last few versions of DPM no point concentrating on it being smart when it’s not up to the job.

    At the end of the day it is for day to day wear
    what kind of gear will they wear on deck jobs ..ie painting etc and engine room work,,, that will add to the camo affect,,,

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  • Laners
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    Kid's super hero pyjamas , that's what it looks like . Knew it would come to me eventually.

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  • apod
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    Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
    The problems you mention are not of the making of the Naval Service. It is a DoD problem. Look around your own location.
    The fact that the NS chose to make public their shortcomings may in the long term be of benefit to the entire DF. If nothing else it got the general public on its side.
    Originally posted by Poiuyt View Post
    Tricolour is hard to subdue. Once it is subdued, it just looks like every other subdued tricolour. Yeah, you have the "IRELAND" part but why bother having the tricolour then?

    And it is not like they actually need it to be subdued
    Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
    The problem with the current BLUE shirt and BLUE pants is it's lack of identity. It always looked sagged and uncrisp. In a formation of service people, due to varying degrees of wash and wear, it gave the appearance of less than required for being on Parade. It never ever was smart. The DPM proposal was to signal that the wearer is definitely in the PDF- Green for Army and Blue for Navy. My preference is Bluey Grey with dark Navy disruption in a smaller or finer pattern than that shown. Keep the tricolour and the IRELAND logo. Decent pockets but NOT overlarge. I think the overall benefit is the matching top and bottom.
    1/ I never said the problems the DF face were created by the NS.Far from it and yes you are right the recent controversy has given us ammo to use.My point is that the optics of this are terrible. "NS spends X amount on new uniforms while sailors live on ships when alongside etc etc".

    2/ Agreed.Yet there are already two different versions of subdued tricolour on issue and not just for "them".Oh and the tricolour on the NSV-DPM was deliberately left hi-viz.

    3/ B*****ks. The RN doesn't seem to have that problem.Even this morning I was watching a Sky news interview with a female USN ships Captain. Plain navy uniform with necessary bells and whistle to ID her as USN. Simple. Are you telling me that anyone looking at these Sailors below wouldn't know they were Navy??
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