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  • Originally posted by Laners View Post
    I hope the gun crews flak jacket and helmet covers change to the new style camo , that Army stuff really looked ridiculous on board ship .If it doesn't change it makes the new kit somewhat redundant .
    This is HMS TAMAR the first RN vessel to be "dazzle" painted since WW11. She is to be deployed to face problems in the Far east. Her crew will wear Issue WD with Flaks as necessary. Armament is to be upgraded to Auto 30mm, and sides of 25mm, with smaller chain guns, and integral as carried Marine firepower.

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    • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post

      Working dress to paint ship, scrub decks , climb masts, clean ship spaces and any other "Work". Operational is when in your place of professional duty, boarding operations, duty musters and parades etc. But you know that.
      Admin Instruction A9 classifies the new kit as Working dress oddly enough.
      "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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      • Originally posted by Laners View Post
        I hope the gun crews flak jacket and helmet covers change to the new style camo , that Army stuff really looked ridiculous on board ship .If it doesn't change it makes the new kit somewhat redundant .
        I am sure they wont melt just because they are wearing DF DPM for the few times they practice Gun drills during a patrol, I can't see any purchase of new covers for the current GSBA and Helmet seeing as they are being replaced. What happened to the original NS Covers for the current Helmet that the boarding teams used to have? Surely they could be used if DF DPM offends so much.No??

        On another note,despite my reservations about the pattern,I have to take my beret off to the NS for the User guidance booklet they have issued to each person that is kitted out with the new rig.
        A very simple,small 14 page booklet that clearly illustrates the new kit.How it is sized,worn and maintained.

        Simple and effective and something the rest of the DF is lagging behind on when it comes to rolling out new kit items EG the new Haix Brown Boots.

        BZ.
        Last edited by apod; 13 May 2021, 13:10.
        "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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        • Originally posted by apod View Post

          Admin Instruction A9 classifies the new kit as Working dress oddly enough.
          " Work" needs to be further defined. Painting and varnishing, for instance can cause a permanent marking of kit. Likewise oil and anything that needs solvents to remove. Dirty work needs a coverall system such as white disposable boiler suits. It is vandalism to paint overside in your watch and duty gear.

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          • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
            " Work" needs to be further defined. Painting and varnishing, for instance can cause a permanent marking of kit. Likewise oil and anything that needs solvents to remove. Dirty work needs a coverall system such as white disposable boiler suits. It is vandalism to paint overside in your watch and duty gear.
            Take it up with J1. They wrote it.
            "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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            • Workwear for that type of maintenance should come under PPE and shouldn't be in the uniform code. Same as the helmets worn when lowering boats, or the gloves worn when handling mooring ropes. Oversuits for painting etc isn't rocket science, and they only cost a few euro if you were to buy them one at a time. The Govt PPE catalogue can provide them for much less.
              It's the duty of supervisors and managers to ensure the PPE is worn.

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              • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                Workwear for that type of maintenance should come under PPE and shouldn't be in the uniform code. Same as the helmets worn when lowering boats, or the gloves worn when handling mooring ropes. Oversuits for painting etc isn't rocket science, and they only cost a few euro if you were to buy them one at a time. The Govt PPE catalogue can provide them for much less.
                It's the duty of supervisors and managers to ensure the PPE is worn.
                Could someone list out the types of PPE provided by DOD to the Naval Service as part of ships stores.

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                • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                  Workwear for that type of maintenance should come under PPE and shouldn't be in the uniform code. Same as the helmets worn when lowering boats, or the gloves worn when handling mooring ropes. Oversuits for painting etc isn't rocket science, and they only cost a few euro if you were to buy them one at a time. The Govt PPE catalogue can provide them for much less.
                  It's the duty of supervisors and managers to ensure the PPE is worn.
                  We know what should be done. My last experience was no disposable coverall gear, gloves, helmets, nitrile gloves, just loads of swarfega, cotton waste, and some personal kit by dedicated crew. Are you saying that the items mentioned are available in Store as expendable items for general as needed issue?

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                  • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post

                    We know what should be done. My last experience was no disposable coverall gear, gloves, helmets, nitrile gloves, just loads of swarfega, cotton waste, and some personal kit by dedicated crew. Are you saying that the items mentioned are available in Store as expendable items for general as needed issue?
                    My apologies, I could not answer your earlier question, but due to covid restrictions I am currently not visiting the Naval base as often as I once did, and I was hoping one of the many on this site who currently work there would be able to answer.
                    However I can tell you working for another state body as I do, all the listed items are available on the OGP catalogue for whoever needs them. If the NS can draw a staff car from the same catalogue, no reason they can't get nitrile gloves, E-A-R plugs disposable overalls etc. The H&S legislation, which the DF is not exempt from requires them to provide this.
                    But I'll leave it to a serving member on this site to answer the question accurately.
                    I would like to hope the days of issuing 1 set of e-a-r plugs per man and only replacing annually are long gone.
                    Last edited by na grohmiti; 15 May 2021, 09:22.

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                    • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post

                      My apologies, I could not answer your earlier question, but due to covid restrictions I am currently not visiting the Naval base as often as I once did, and I was hoping one of the many on this site who currently work there would be able to answer.
                      However I can tell you working for another state body as I do, all the listed items are available on the OGP catalogue for whoever needs them. If the NS can draw a staff car from the same catalogue, no reason they can't get nitrile gloves, E-A-R plugs disposable overalls etc. The H&S legislation, which the DF is not exempt from requires them to provide this.
                      But I'll leave it to a serving member on this site to answer the question accurately.
                      I would like to hope the days of issuing 1 set of e-a-r plugs per man and only replacing annually are long gone.
                      There are exemptions from the HSWW Act as per link below:

                      http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2...nacted/en/html

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                      • Originally posted by A/TEL View Post

                        There are exemptions from the HSWW Act as per link below:

                        http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2...nacted/en/html
                        Can you answer the point about the PPE though?

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                        • Originally posted by A/TEL View Post

                          There are exemptions from the HSWW Act as per link below:

                          http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2...nacted/en/html
                          Exemptions to SHWW Act for the DF only apply in time of war, pretty much.
                          That's from a colleague in the legal profession, just to qualify
                          "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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                          • AFAIK there are NO provisions specifically applicable to PDF personnel of uniformed branches in matters of shelter ,food, health, safety etc. It is all as provided in ACTs , regulations, and Instructions. Getting back to PPE for everyday use each ship/unit should have a crew allocation of coveralls, anti-flash gear, work gloves, nitrile gloves, head protection, safety boots, departmental clothing for ER/Galley. I would like to know, other than anti-flash, what is laid down and provided for.

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                            • After a few weeks wearing the new uniform:

                              Pros:
                              light material to that is far better suited to summer wear.

                              Pants leg ends has elastic sewn in which is useful

                              Smock/jacket with detachable hood is shower proof, warm for winter wear. Overall a good product.



                              Cons:
                              Rank markings and name tags fade in colour very fast. Went from grey to silver in days. Retention of black ones would have been a better choice (like the RAN)

                              No t-shirt issued so lots of different t-shirts being worn and some people wearing no t-shirt at all.

                              Irish flag for some strange reason is a Velcro one and not stitched on like the green shirt.

                              Wearing/bobbling on collar of shirts already.



                              All the cons could be resolved in the next batch.

                              Overall a positive change.

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                              • Is it supplied by the same people who supply the Army DPM?

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