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    Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
    Pity about the gender and not entirely understood as the candidates are selected. Right now it would benefit the new officers if they could get the time to spend 4/6 months on ships to become useful watch officers in their branches and give them professional confidence.
    I believe I have mentioned this in another thread where there was a similar comment. Four/six months on ship would be great in theory but your analysis isn't reflecting the fact that these new officers are busy with demanding full time jobs. I'm sure finding the time to complete the course was difficult let alone finding six months to go out to sea.

    Anyway, most of the officers in the NSR are within the four units and their role isn't to fulfil duties as watch officers on the ships. Anyway, the NSR just has one branch now - Seaman's.

    I would define the NSR's Officer's role as being two fold.

    - Administration and organisation of the unit locally and ensuring training and other requirments are met including providing a command element for the unit's local responsibilites such as port control etc.
    - Overseeing the training and administration required to ensure that NSR ratings and junior NCOs are able to provide support to the PDF at sea by going on patrols on an individual basis.

    NSR officers are primarily admistrators and managers. They facilitate the rest of the unit so they can perform what are possibly the more fun tasks of the organisation - going to sea and getting out on the RHIBs. A demanding and important role.
    Last edited by Auldsod; 27 June 2020, 16:51.

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    An old and bold Sgt once told me "The reason we have officers is that someone has to sign for everything"
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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    • #3
      The NSR already has a number of serving officers who hold merchant marine watchkeeping qualifications. Indeed, one was president of the Association of Master Mariners for a time.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
        The NSR already has a number of serving officers who hold merchant marine watchkeeping qualifications. Indeed, one was president of the Association of Master Mariners for a time.
        Indeed it does and they are a great asset.

        The gaining of such qualifications for new NSR officers without a maritime background or prior PDF service isn't realistic and does not align with their roles within the four units.

        Those with watchkeeping certs are of course great use to the Technical Support Unit.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
          The NSR already has a number of serving officers who hold merchant marine watchkeeping qualifications. Indeed, one was president of the Association of Master Mariners for a time.
          Quals being recognised? Or "Sorry wasn't done in the DF..." like used to be the case?
          "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Truck Driver View Post
            Quals being recognised? Or "Sorry wasn't done in the DF..." like used to be the case?
            NSR Offrs Ens Kevin Whitney & S/Lt Paul Roche receive their Naval Watchkeeping certs from Commodore Hugh Tully, FOCNS @defenceforces @DF_COS https://t.co/zgMKxpDQmL

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Auldsod View Post
              I believe I have mentioned this in another thread where there was a similar comment. Four/six months on ship would be great in theory but your analysis isn't reflecting the fact that these new officers are busy with demanding full time jobs. I'm sure finding the time to complete the course was difficult let alone finding six months to go out to sea.

              Anyway, most of the officers in the NSR are within the four units and their role isn't to fulfil duties as watch officers on the ships. Anyway, the NSR just has one branch now - Seaman's.

              I would define the NSR's Officer's role as being two fold.

              - Administration and organisation of the unit locally and ensuring training and other requirments are met including providing a command element for the unit's local responsibilites such as port control etc.
              - Overseeing the training and administration required to ensure that NSR ratings and junior NCOs are able to provide support to the PDF at sea by going on patrols on an individual basis.

              NSR officers are primarily admistrators and managers. They facilitate the rest of the unit so they can perform what are possibly the more fun tasks of the organisation - going to sea and getting out on the RHIBs. A demanding and important role.
              I was a Gp. Officer for the SM. When I was retiring from the NS , I put in a professional testament and among my recommendations was to get the SM to sea. When they became CULTACA I was happy that they would slot in to sea going roles . An administrator shore-based has no ability to teach future sailors practical seamanship and watchkeeping duties. ALL must go to sea.

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                Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                I was a Gp. Officer for the SM. When I was retiring from the NS , I put in a professional testament and among my recommendations was to get the SM to sea. When they became CULTACA I was happy that they would slot in to sea going roles . An administrator shore-based has no ability to teach future sailors practical seamanship and watchkeeping duties. ALL must go to sea.
                They don’t have to teach it they have to administer and resource the training.

                The problem is what jobs do you get NSR officers on OPVs to do? And how do you train them to do it?

                Unless they have merchant marine experience there is no way they could get NWC

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                  I was a Gp. Officer for the SM. When I was retiring from the NS , I put in a professional testament and among my recommendations was to get the SM to sea. When they became CULTACA I was happy that they would slot in to sea going roles . An administrator shore-based has no ability to teach future sailors practical seamanship and watchkeeping duties. ALL must go to sea.
                  I agree fully!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DeV View Post
                    They don’t have to teach it they have to administer and resource the training.

                    The problem is what jobs do you get NSR officers on OPVs to do? And how do you train them to do it?

                    Unless they have merchant marine experience there is no way they could get NWC
                    Resource what training, thats done through the BTC. Sounds like they have very little to do. What administration do they do...
                    Last edited by batterysgt; 28 June 2020, 21:22.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by batterysgt View Post
                      Resourse what training, that done through the BTC. Sounds like they have very little to do. What administration do they do...
                      There is a lot of admin that goes with any properly conducted course

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DeV View Post
                        There is a lot of admin that goes with any properly conducted course
                        My point is, if they are not part of a BTC staff, they are not conducting courses, they are planning camp and getting people motivated to commit to it.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by batterysgt View Post
                          My point is, if they are not part of a BTC staff, they are not conducting courses, they are planning camp and getting people motivated to commit to it.
                          NSR don’t have a BTC, they have the Naval College

                          Any unit in the DF can and do conduct Cses. An unit that is conducting a Cse in the DF is a Training Institution and bound to conduct it in the manner laid out in the relevant syllabus and TI.

                          Recruit Training Cse, 2-3* (and NS equivalent) Cse, any cse

                          Camps are also conducted

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                          • #14
                            they are planning camp

                            "camp" lol . Lads there hasnt been camp in donkeys your either running a course, on a course, or in support to one or on an ex/mre/battlegroup or on duties, thats it, thats all I've been doing for the last 8 years. Camp FFS.
                            "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                            "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DeV View Post
                              They don’t have to teach it they have to administer and resource the training.

                              The problem is what jobs do you get NSR officers on OPVs to do? And how do you train them to do it?

                              Unless they have merchant marine experience there is no way they could get NWC
                              If you put people in Naval uniforms it is expected they will conduct their profession at sea or keeping ships at sea. In WW11 the escorts were largely manned by 90 Day wonders and some commanded by Bank clerks with the Atlantic their first experience of mighty oceans. Training and encouragement. When the ATC took over Marine Rescue Coordination, we had two weeks to train them in Haulbowline on Marine Charts and communications procedures and two weeks mentoring them in Shannon, and that was it up and running. In 12 weeks intensive training anybody could be a safe watch officer and the Astro end of it could be done in unit by following an Offshore Yacht Master's programme. My doctor did his in 6 months and passed his ticket.

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