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  • The Irish Department of Foreign Affairs subsequently noted that the location of the frigate was "not within Ireland’s territorial sea and did not, therefore, infringe our sovereignty" and have now dropped the inquiry.

    Move along, nothing to see here...


    However, the department has subsequently said the location was “not within Ireland’s territorial sea and did not, therefore, infringe our sovereignty”, say Afloat.ie.

    “In general, it is not unusual for naval ships to ask other vessels in the vicinity to move away from an exercise location for safety reasons,” the department said.

    A Royal Navy spokesperson said:

    “Courteous and professional exchanges between the fishing vessel and frigate operating within the designated exercise area enabled this lawful exercise to continue and conclude safely. The safety of all mariners is taken extremely seriously by the Royal Navy. At no time was there a risk to safety to either the fishing vessel or submarine.”
    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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    • Scottish getting involved now

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      • Originally posted by DeV View Post
        The Brits are at it again...
        'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
        'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
        Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
        He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
        http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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        • Originally posted by DeV View Post
          Interesting play after Nicola trying to make nice...

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          • Tell them they can have all the fish that speak English
            'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
            'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
            Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
            He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
            http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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            • Don't know what point they are trying to make. Marine protection vessels cannot prevent the free movement of vessels. Looks like Jura. Their job is to inspect catches. Seems as if someone is trying to make a point.
              For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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              • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                Don't know what point they are trying to make. Marine protection vessels cannot prevent the free movement of vessels. Looks like Jura. Their job is to inspect catches. Seems as if someone is trying to make a point.
                Guess its just the same as the last time they tried this stunt, guessing it's optics for the next Scottish election given the fishing areas went Tory in the GE, wonder if we have a hull to send up like last time?

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                • From July


                  June 2019






                  It’s disputed fishing grounds.

                  Maybe we could establish an anti masker/vaccine colony on Rockall?

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                  • ....



                    Those Marines are 'little divils'

                    ....

                    Ignoring the Haughey aspect, how long before another Carlingford Lough incident/s and could they escalate? If so how?
                    Last edited by Orion; 5 January 2021, 21:23.

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                    • Maybe Holyrood can get some help from the Chinese in building a runway on it...
                      'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
                      'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
                      Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
                      He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
                      http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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                      • It's a rock that can't sustain human life and thus can not be claimed as sovereign territory .
                        Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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                        • Originally posted by Laners View Post
                          It's a rock that can't sustain human life and thus can not be claimed as sovereign territory .
                          However, Ireland recently carried out a baseline survey of our territorial waters, measured from whatever rocky outcrop was closest to land, rather than the mainland itself, But I thought UNCLOS sorted out Rockall years ago? The UK itself accepting that an inhospitable rock cannot support a 12 mile limit. While it's not in our patch, it's not in theirs either.
                          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                          • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                            However, Ireland recently carried out a baseline survey of our territorial waters, measured from whatever rocky outcrop was closest to land, rather than the mainland itself, But I thought UNCLOS sorted out Rockall years ago? The UK itself accepting that an inhospitable rock cannot support a 12 mile limit. While it's not in our patch, it's not in theirs either.
                            The last time this flared up, London pretty much made it clear that they didn't want part of it, and that it was a Scottish decision to make an issue with Irish hulls, wouldn't surprise me if it's the same this time and someone in the SNP is trying to make a play for increasing their appeal in the Fishing communities, particularly as they are hammering Johnson's deal as a betrayal of Scottish fishing.

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                            • Would this have anything to do with the 6th of May?
                              There is an election this year in Scotland, this lets the SNP make a claim that they are fighting for Scottish fishermen.
                              If we want we have a diplomatic torpedo, we can let it known that we would veto any Scottish application to join the EU.

                              As for the legality, it is a common understanding that rocks cannot have a territorial water. That said the baseline definition is always a bit fuzzy, but the status of Rockall was sorted out otherwise the boundary of the whole EEZ would look very different.

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                              • I'm sure the EU would view an Irish veto of a Scottish application to join as against the EUs interests considering how much of the UKs fishing grounds would come back under EU control and make that big sticking point from the trade talks a mute point , although we do owe them one for not giving Ireland their vote for the next Rugby World Cup which they gave to France instead .
                                Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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