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    Goldie fish
    Tim Horgan

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    Irish Ferries vessel detained at Rosslare

    21 December 2005 21:59
    The Irish Ferries vessel, Normandy, has been detained at Rosslare Port after Department of Marine inspectors found several deficiencies in the ship's operations.

    These have been listed as 'fire fighting' arrangements, 'safety management' and 'crew training'.

    The Normandy was taken off the Irish shipping register a year ago and is now flagged in the Bahamas. She has a crew mostly of eastern European seafarers.



    The vessel will not be returning to Cherbourg tonight and arrangements are being made for 700 passengers, many of them immigrants returning home for Christmas, to travel via Britain.

    Intending passengers who had planned to travel on the return trip from France will also have to make other arrangements.

    Irish Ferries will have to apply for the ship to be inspected again by Department surveyors before it is allowed to sail.

    In a statement tonight, the company said work on the exhaust system had now been completed satisfactorily and there would be an independent inspection tomorrow, the result of which would be reported to the Department.

    The company said it was confident the ship would return to normal service quickly. However, this would be after the normal Christmas break.

    Tonight's sailing to Cherbourg and the return was to have been the last sailing before the festive break.
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/1221/irishferries.html

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  • ldman60119
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    It comes down to one thing, money. The companies care about the money, the politican getting paid off think about the money. It the Wal-Mart theory. Drive the local companies out of business with the foreign companies having cheaper prices. When the local companies go under, then the foreign can raise their prices. And if their prices get too high, then another foreign company will get the contracts. How many cruise ships fly under the US or UK flag? How many crew memebers even speak English?

    It is a real shame.

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  • Goldie fish
    Tim Horgan

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    Oddly enough, most of the ships that slam into each other in the middle of the ocean or go aground on well known rocks are crewed by these foreign flags too. The standard of training in many cases is non existent, compared to that of irish, British or Chinese Crews.

    The Greeks were the worst in my day.

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  • DeV
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    Having Irish flagged vessels is vital to the national economy - Irish Shipping proved that between 1939 and 1945. It is the ONLY way we can guarantee access to the service, eg Stena decide the Dublin-Holyhead route is unprofitable and pulls out.

    The flags of vessels are only changed in order to reduce the amount of legal obligations a company must comply with.

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  • spider
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    I don't know much about this, and realise that this is an Irish website, but have a look at www.mcga.gov.uk, follow the press releases link, then the detentions link.

    It is broken down into UK flagged and foreign flagged detentions of merchant ships for breaching safety regulations.

    There seems to be a lot more foreign flagged ships detained,indeed there has'nt been a UK flagged ship detained since Oct. 2004.

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  • Aidan
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  • Aidan
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    Flags are associated? By who? Shipping companies compete. If they can't, they go out of business. Simple as that. Where is the role of the state in 'supporting' shipping if there are operators who are able to do the job, to standard and profitably?

    There are health and safety regulations on the transport of grain for example, and the EU are quite strict on who is allowed to transport it. Thats where the licensing regime comes into play.

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  • Goldie fish
    Tim Horgan

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    Safety standards, cargo integrity, for starters. Other flag carriers do not adhere to the same standards. Would you be satisfied getting your grain from some obscure flag vessel when you knew these ships were also involved in the trafficing of people, drugs and weapons?
    Why, as an Island do we need to rely on vessels of other nations to provide us with all our imports?

    Flags on vessels are always associated with quality of service. Some flags do not inspire the same quality of service that the Tricolour or red ensign would. Some flags also draw the attention of International inspectors. How can you trade when your products are sitting in the hold of a vessel which has been arrested for infringement of some IMO regulation(International Maritime organisation).

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  • Aidan
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  • Aidan
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    Why is it important that vessels operate under an Irish flag? So long as the state has access to reasonably priced tranport links, operating to a good quality of timeliness and safety, who cares who provides the service?

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  • Goldie fish
    Tim Horgan

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    Movement of freight by sea.

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  • DeV
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    I'd say for the purposes of this thread - the Irish maritime industry is what is know as shipping industry (as in containers, bulk, ferries, etc).

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  • Aidan
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  • Aidan
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    Goldie, just a quick question. What exactly is the maritime industry?

    Are we talking about ship building, shipping, fishing or international trucking? Because they are all, in fact, in entirely different sectors of the economy, the fact that they all involve the sea does not make them one industry.

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  • moggy
    Commander

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    the government does not give a .... Look at irish shipping years ago???

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  • Goldie fish
    Tim Horgan

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    As distinct from the Company....

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  • ODIN
    Lt General

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    So the crew are pirates now eh?!?

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  • hptmurphy
    Commander in Chief

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    well given that the employees are actually in contravention to a piracy act.......

    Sorry what was the question.....?

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