Reunion and retirement functions.

[FLIPPER]

As a reservist I shared a patrol when he was relief cox'n on LE Aoife where he cajoled me into doing his typing for the duration - not his strongest suite ! He was an inspiration to me and I was reminded of the village schoolmaster in Goldsmith's Deserted Village "and still the wonder grew That one small head could carry all he knew"

[ancientmariner]

The fifth Annual donnie sullivan memorial Pitch & Putt outing will take place on the 13th May 2010 in douglas P&P club. Teams of three. As usual ALL Proceeds to MaryMount Hospice
Contact Jim Gannon Brendan Coleman or Owen O Keefe. all can be contacted via the switch.

Just saw in The Irish Examiner the 5th Anniversary Tribute to Christopher Murphy RIP former NCO in the Naval Service. It was a lovely tribute from his Children, 8 Grandchildren, and some Great Grandchildren. He was Navy through and through, and I had the privilege of being his divisional officer and seeing his transformation over the years to being a dependable right-hand man and mentoring to all who needed it. The Navy needs more of his ilk to provide the cement that keeps the services together.

[over the bridge]

Donnie Sullivan

The fifth Annual donnie sullivan memorial Pitch & Putt outing will take place on the 13th May 2010 in douglas P&P club. Teams of three. As usual ALL Proceeds to MaryMount Hospice
Contact Jim Gannon Brendan Coleman or Owen O Keefe. all can be contacted via the switch.

[spud68]

The answer is both crews are regular and stuck with the ship for the two years with an initial joining split of a year .
Then they have a solid connection to the vessel , taking whoever happen's to be wandering around the drill shed ,com cen and sending them out to take over a ship will as you said prove a fcuk up .
Alot of vessels run 28 day trips with the senior officers having a week seperation between joining and leaving dates . works very well (most times ).

The fact in the above case the replacement crew done SFA is down to a complete failure of command and lack of professional pride .

If I rejoined a vessel and that happened there would be a box of FCuks sent very sharply to people concerned .

[Marnealach]

Not subject to DFRS any more. If the two for three replacement comes to light sheding an establishment which is what a ship and crew actually are would allow for the FOCNs rank to revert back to CONS which would be Captain.

Reduction instatus crewing wise would reduce the reqirement for two more CDRS with the only new CDR rank being the College in Ringaskiddy. If some one carries out a review of the DF they will find yet again we have become very top heavy with officers as all the working groups require a command structure.

the creation of the Commodore role allowed us to have two captains an MEO being one of these.

Don't want to see numbers redcused but no ships, no need for officer grades, thus reduction in establishment overall and huge loss of experience. Need to maintain 8 ships as a minimum to support the current structure , anything less and the army will paick the appointments appart based on establishment.

Amalagamation of the groups would allow to thin out the ranks yet again

The issue of the size of the fleet is cyclical in that we have been there many times in the past. For a short time in the early seventies there were no ships until the arrival of Deirdre and the Minesweepers. After the disposal of the Mineswepers the establishment was maintained and adjusted on the arrival of the CPVs. It is worth remembering that it is not just Officer ranks that can be surplus to requirements but also Senior and Junior NCO ranks. I dont think there is any danger of losing the Flag Officer position as the DF Command Structure allows for each Brigade, the NS, and AC to be led by General Rank, if aircraft in the AC were not replaced or certain units in the army being lost as a result of barrack closures or the reorganisation of the DF there wouldnt be any danger to the Brigade OCs or the GOC of the ACs position,as there wont be any danger to to the Flag Officers position.

[golden rivet]

Some one is going to pick up on it unless the NS can get three replacment vessels and put them to sea constantly with two crews pership to justify the existing rank surplus

Hptmurphy,be carefull common sense is creeping in to this post .not sure the DFR's alllow for that.

max seatime for the ships , max number of command positions , max leave time for the crew maybe ?
one crew Patrol on the ship , second crew training and courses ,leave and prep for the next patrol.

Iam surprised this hasent been done years ago .?

they tried the half crew for eithne once and this was a cock up as the personell going for relief did as little as possible and when the regular crew returned a lot of work awaited them

[hptmurphy]

Hptmurphy,be carefull common sense is creeping in to this post .not sure the DFR's alllow for that

Not subject to DFRS any more. If the two for three replacement comes to light sheding an establishment which is what a ship and crew actually are would allow for the FOCNs rank to revert back to CONS which would be Captain.

Reduction instatus crewing wise would reduce the reqirement for two more CDRS with the only new CDR rank being the College in Ringaskiddy. If some one carries out a review of the DF they will find yet again we have become very top heavy with officers as all the working groups require a command structure.

the creation of the Commodore role allowed us to have two captains an MEO being one of these.

Don't want to see numbers redcused but no ships, no need for officer grades, thus reduction in establishment overall and huge loss of experience. Need to maintain 8 ships as a minimum to support the current structure , anything less and the army will paick the appointments appart based on establishment.

Amalagamation of the groups would allow to thin out the ranks yet again

[Marnealach]

Rank of Flag in the past was Captain rank increase in diversification of branches created new posts

The commissioning of Eithne alone gave us 2 x Commanders extra and 4 x Lt Commanders. Thus supporting the retention of a commodore as flag.

If the hulls in the water are reduced and Eithne leaves the scene without being replace with an establishment to mirror her original compliment the NS can't justify a Commodore as flag and the establishment will have to be reduce thus possible loosing a gaagle of LT Cdrs and two Commanders at least...so the pressure is on to get ships to justify the establismnet of the service if nothing esle.

If the ships strenght go below what we have and the introduce 'lean' manning the rank structure in the NS will be in dissarray.

the original compliment of Eithne exclusive of AC peeps was 72....she currently runs with 53 or there abouts..this is only 10 above a PV..so why the current disparagy in Captains rank.

Some one is going to pick up on it unless the NS can get three replacment vessels and put them to sea constantly with two crews pership to justify the existing rank surplus.

Before we had a Commodore we didnt have a Flag Officer, as I mentioned earlier the Senior Officer was known as CONS, the title of Flag Officer is rank related and the rank of Commodore equates with that of Brig.General . The rank of Commodore and title of Flag Officer is not dependent on the size of the fleet nor is the Aer Corps equivalent,as we know all ranks are inkeeping with establishments and strengths as laid down in the CS4

[spud68]

Some one is going to pick up on it unless the NS can get three replacment vessels and put them to sea constantly with two crews pership to justify the existing rank surplus

Hptmurphy,be carefull common sense is creeping in to this post .not sure the DFR's alllow for that.

max seatime for the ships , max number of command positions , max leave time for the crew maybe ?
one crew Patrol on the ship , second crew training and courses ,leave and prep for the next patrol.

Iam surprised this hasent been done years ago .?

[Test Pilot]

Is the Flag also due to retire shortly? Will they let a commander hold tha flag Job? Where else would you see a Lt Col holding a Generals appointment??

Why not. Is there not a Commodore in the Coastguard with just a few rib's.

[hptmurphy]

Rank of Flag in the past was Captain rank increase in diversification of branches created new posts

The commissioning of Eithne alone gave us 2 x Commanders extra and 4 x Lt Commanders. Thus supporting the retention of a commodore as flag.

If the hulls in the water are reduced and Eithne leaves the scene without being replace with an establishment to mirror her original compliment the NS can't justify a Commodore as flag and the establishment will have to be reduce thus possible loosing a gaagle of LT Cdrs and two Commanders at least...so the pressure is on to get ships to justify the establismnet of the service if nothing esle.

If the ships strenght go below what we have and the introduce 'lean' manning the rank structure in the NS will be in dissarray.

the original compliment of Eithne exclusive of AC peeps was 72....she currently runs with 53 or there abouts..this is only 10 above a PV..so why the current disparagy in Captains rank.

Some one is going to pick up on it unless the NS can get three replacment vessels and put them to sea constantly with two crews pership to justify the existing rank surplus.

[Marnealach]

Is the Flag also due to retire shortly? Will they let a commander hold tha flag Job? Where else would you see a Lt Col holding a Generals appointment??

What will happen will be the senior officer will become Commanding Officer Naval Service CONS as was the case with the last Flag Officer, a position he held for a number of months before being promoted to Commodore. This was the title held by the senior Naval Officer before 1979 and was sometimes referred to as the Director of the Naval Service

[Goldie fish]

Is the Flag also due to retire shortly? Will they let a commander hold tha flag Job? Where else would you see a Lt Col holding a Generals appointment??

[Marnealach]

I hear Paddy Donovan has retired from the Naval Sevice tech stores. 48 years done. And always a very plesent and helpful chap! Best wishes Paddy on your retirement.

Any spare bulbs or batteries?

Capt. Paul Keaney retired after almost 30 years on the 18th Sept. With the embargo in place both the Operations Command and Support Command are being led by Commanders.

[Test Pilot]

I hear Paddy Donovan has retired from the Naval Sevice tech stores. 48 years done. And always a very plesent and helpful chap! Best wishes Paddy on your retirement.

Any spare bulbs or batteries?