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  • Naval Service Recruitment.

    The Naval service is currently running a short recruitment programme to recruit up to 40 seamen.
    Contact the Manpower office for details of Walk in interviews that will be held in Cork Limerick Galway and Dublin.

    Tel: 021 4864721 or email navyjobs@defenceforces.ie
    Goldie fish
    Tim Horgan
    Last edited by Goldie fish; 15 June 2007, 19:57.


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

  • #2
    please note that the Navy are interviewing in the following locations for a recruit class for early Sept.

    Cork 18 & 19 June 0930hrs (Naval Base); Limerick 25 June 1200hrs Naval Service Reserve House Sarsfield Bks; Galway 26 June 0930hrs Renmore Bks; Dublin 27 June 0930hrs Naval Service Reserve house Cathal Brugha Bks. We will accept walk in interviews!!!!!

    Please actively spread the word to any of your friends, neighbours,relatives etc. (Word of mouth !)

    Interested personnel can contact the MPO at 4721, AMPO 4731 and recruiting NCO 4732. Alternatively people can contact these locations by emailing navyjobs@defenceforces.ie or navalservicerecruitment@defenceforces.ie . Information on careers in the Defence Forces including Naval Service is available on www.military.ie

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    • #3
      So did they finish this intake?, I never got called back, even to tell me no thanks
      Dr. Venture: Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?

      Dr. Venture: Dean, you smell like a whore

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      • #4
        NS is currently recruiting

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        • #5
          Officer retention

          Originally posted by DeV View Post
          NS is currently recruiting
          In the last 12 months more than a dozen Junior Officers have left the Naval Service. That is almost enough watchkeepers for 4 ships. I don't recall this level of loss in past times. Five senior officers also departed in the same timescale. What's the problem?

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          • #6
            Economy picking up? Pay rates for DF personnel will never match those for commercial / private shipping.
            Coupled this the reduction in the traditional incentives of pension etc...

            It's no unique to the naval service. The wider DF is hemorrhaging corporate knowledge at a rate of knots both officer and nco

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            • #7
              I would imagine pay versus civvy land (they also are now trained to civvy standards not sure if that was always the case).

              They also have more work to do as the strength is way below establishment for a lot of ranks in the NS, which I would assume means more time at sea during shore rotations.

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              • #8
                Also in the early 2000's, they had to call up the FLR

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                  In the last 12 months more than a dozen Junior Officers have left the Naval Service. That is almost enough watchkeepers for 4 ships. I don't recall this level of loss in past times. Five senior officers also departed in the same timescale. What's the problem?

                  Money and conditions in comparrison to equivalent civilian employment. The improvements in training offered by NMCI mean that people coming through the NS with certain courses are far more employable than they were in the past.

                  Also its not unique to the DF, younger people are far more transient in careers than their forbearers, my own daughter as an example gave 4 years to do a nursing degree, worked at it for 2 years and went back to do a postgrad in Midwifery, no qualms.

                  Again in the case of the 5 senior officers, the path to rank beyond commander is capped and those bound for higher can be picked out before they reach it, why stick around in a job that has no future promotion prospects when you can get out with a pension and get into middle management in civvy street.

                  Take a look of some of the qualifications of people on something like Linkedin and see the proportion of Naval Officers who have moved on.

                  I would offer than more officers have passed through the NS in the last 20 years than did in the preceding 40 years.
                  Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                  • #10
                    If we look at the strength figures from the Dail Questions thread (31 Mar 15, bear in mind that there will have been retirements and promotions since):

                    Lt Cmdr - 4% under est - 2 vacancies
                    Lt - 24% under est - 19 vacancies
                    S/Lt - 24% under est - 10 vacancies

                    And there are only 10 cadets in training!

                    For other ranks:
                    SPO - 40% under est - 6 vacancies
                    PO - 9% under est - 20 vacancies
                    L/S - 21% under est - 37 vacancies
                    A/S - they are 38 over est (this could be recruits in training)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DeV View Post
                      If we look at the strength figures from the Dail Questions thread (31 Mar 15, bear in mind that there will have been retirements and promotions since):

                      Lt Cmdr - 4% under est - 2 vacancies
                      Lt - 24% under est - 19 vacancies
                      S/Lt - 24% under est - 10 vacancies

                      And there are only 10 cadets in training!

                      For other ranks:
                      SPO - 40% under est - 6 vacancies
                      PO - 9% under est - 20 vacancies
                      L/S - 21% under est - 37 vacancies
                      A/S - they are 38 over est (this could be recruits in training)
                      These figures highlight in the first place the controlling hand of the Department of Finance. The non NCO pool should always be the equivalent of two or three classes over it's establishment to create a resource for Leading hand selection and above. Now that the days of open recruiting are gone, even enlisting a recruit has become an expensive undertaking and overall a drag on maintaining the Navy at operational levels. Political policies are always damaging to the services.

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                      • #12
                        The DF shouldn't be over establishment in any rank and if it is shouldn't be allowed to recruit because they would mean that resources aren't being managed correctly.

                        It's my understanding that Dept of Finance sign off it go longer required for recruitment to take place since CS4 was changed.

                        IMHO, these figures are the result of:
                        - lack of recruitment & promotion for a number of years
                        - pay cuts, changes to T&C, etc that make the NS less attractive as a career
                        - lack of sufficient personnel meaning rotations being effected
                        - long lead time to apply personnel to qualify


                        Just a point it is the job of the DF to serve the Government and the State (not the other way around)
                        Last edited by DeV; 4 June 2015, 13:48.

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                        • #13
                          Are they understrenght because of lack of qualified suitable candidtaes to fill the vacancies or because the department won't pay to fill the vacanacies?

                          The German theory was that every man should be able to do the job of the man two ranks above him, so filling vacancies based on educational or skills base from within is the problem.

                          IMHO the NS is back to the old days where it is top heavy with officer ranks and establishments need to be adjusted to rectify this. The DF seems to have a policy of population positions based on rank rather than on requirement.

                          ie why does it have to be a Commandants as a coy commader where a captain can do the job adequately. Having a certian rank holding position means there is a set number of junior officer vacancies that must be filled. Reduce every appointment by one rank grade , thus reducing the amount required to fill certain positions below that grade.
                          Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                          • #14
                            Naqval Establishment

                            Originally posted by DeV View Post
                            The DF shouldn't be over establishment in any rank and if it is shouldn't be allowed to recruit because they would mean that resources aren't being managed correctly.

                            It's my understanding that Dept of Finance sign off it go longer required for recruitment to take place since CS4 was changed.

                            IMHO, these figures are the result of:
                            - lack of recruitment & promotion for a number of years
                            - pay cuts, changes to T&C, etc that make the NS less attractive as a career
                            - lack of sufficient personnel meaning rotations being effected
                            - long lead time to apply personnel to qualify


                            Just a point it is the job of the DF to serve the Government and the State (not the other way around)
                            The agreement that brought about the reduction of the Defence Forces to two Brigades and deletion of numerous HQ's was part of an overall mandatory reduction in Public Service numbers. It had no strategic element other than to demand that the Defence Force continue to provide all services as before. The Naval Service had to comply with this " Agreement " although ships do not have flexible or deletable crewing levels. Who serves who is a question that should not be asked of our Navy. However, diminishing its capability by the financial screw, and expecting the same level of service is just political whitewash. The Navy will always attempt to be Good to Go, but it is the DOD's responsibility to meet duty of care .

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                            • #15
                              Duty of care is everyone responsibility

                              Do you seriously think that the NS didn't get input into the ECF or CS4?

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