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  • #16
    My mistake then.
    Meh.

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    • #17
      The White paper did recommend a name change for the Naval Reserve only.

      http://www.defence.ie/website.nsf/do...5065D3#Reserve
      5.6.2
      ...The Naval Service, in conjunction with the Director of Reserve Forces, will bring forward specific proposals to develop an integration role for the reorganised Slua Muirí. When this new role has been defined it would then be appropriate for the organisation to be
      renamed the Naval Service Reserve (Cúltaca an tSeirbhís Chabhlaigh).
      As for renaming the Naval Service. I cant really see the point.

      Originally posted by carrington View Post
      It looks like a Navy, acts like a Navy..... Is there some institutional problem?
      The US Coast Guard looks like a navy and acts like a navy, but it aint the US Navy

      And before you suggest it carrington, Ireland already has a coast guard and lets say they have enough to do already.
      It was the year of fire...the year of destruction...the year we took back what was ours.
      It was the year of rebirth...the year of great sadness...the year of pain...and the year of joy.
      It was a new age...It was the end of history.
      It was the year everything changed.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by carrington View Post
        I think there is a strong case to be made for a rebalancing of the Defence Forces between the Army, Naval Service (Navy), and Air Corps (Air Force), and as a consequence, the CoS position should rotate between the services. But is that another issue, or is the current dominance of the Army related to keeping the names of the Naval Service and the Air Corps?
        I agree. I made the same point in a thread long long ago...However in this country all that would happen if you suggested it is that the army would be reduced to the same numbers as the Naval Service and Air Corps. Also a name change would require rebranding of all paperwork logos, corporate Identity etc. For what? Would the taxpayer be pleased?


        Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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        • #19
          Naval service it is..branch of the army that takes it commands from the Chief Of Staff.

          You would have to build a new rank structure to put it on par with the Army if it was to be seperated and whats the point in creating aLT.General equivalent for a force of 1000 men and eight ships which is techincally only a flottilla..and admirals don't command flotillas

          Naval service commanded by a commodore it is..get over it!
          Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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          • #20
            Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
            Naval service it is..branch of the army that takes it commands from the Chief Of Staff.

            You would have to build a new rank structure to put it on par with the Army if it was to be seperated and whats the point in creating aLT.General equivalent for a force of 1000 men and eight ships which is techincally only a flottilla..and admirals don't command flotillas

            Naval service commanded by a commodore it is..get over it!
            1 commodore 1 depot bosun a few wheelbarrows and lawn mowers a few bods what more do we want ,,, the odd half day and they can call it any name they want

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            • #21
              Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
              Naval service it is..branch of the army that takes it commands from the Chief Of Staff.
              If the Naval Service is really just a branch of the Army, then IMHO that is completely wrong and needs to be changed. As a small island nation in a large area of ocean, the maritime element of the Defence Forces should be on a par with the land element, both in terms of size and status. A matter for the new White paper perhaps.....

              Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
              You would have to build a new rank structure to put it on par with the Army if it was to be seperated and whats the point in creating aLT.General equivalent for a force of 1000 men and eight ships which is techincally only a flottilla..and admirals don't command flotillas

              Naval service commanded by a commodore it is..get over it!
              Commanding a flotilla or a fleet is not the same as commanding a Navy, or even a Naval Service. Less than half the 1,000 or so people in the Naval Service actually crew the ships.

              In the medium to long-term, it would seem that following the permanent end to the 'Troubles', many of the ATCP tasks carried out by the Army could be reviewed and the size of the force reduced. The contributions of the naval and air components of the Defence Forces should be increased. A command structure could then be created whereby each of the three services was headed by an officer of Major-General or Rear-Admiral rank, reporting to an overall Chief of the Defence Forces who would hold Lieutenant-General or equivalent rank, the post to rotate among the services.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
                The Non Military JSDF in action...

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkFRbDE1pOM
                'A Question of Honour' - what a tune, expected Hasselhoff to appear at any minute.
                Cannon to right of them,
                Cannon to left of them,
                Cannon in front of them
                Volley'd and thunder'd;
                Storm'd at with shot and shell,
                Boldly they rode and well,
                Into the jaws of Death,
                Into the mouth of Hell
                Rode the six hundred.

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