Irish Naval Mediterranean EU rescue patrols

[DeV]

and none of these are unilaterally ratified.

No but if your country is a signatory or has ratified it then your bound to it (Ireland has)

[spider]

I wonder what would happen if the thousands camped around Calais got together bought a fishing boat and headed for Dover?

They don't really need to...plenty of unscrupulous lorry drivers / boat owners...or they can make the dash for a lorry themselves...

Maybe they're more likely to buy a boat and head for Cork.

What then?

[Laners]

Remember Tony Montana , AKA Scareface , arrived in Florida with lots of undesireable as refugees compliments of Castro . Castro pulled a fast on on the U.S and cleared out his common criminals and the mental hospitals .

[Galloglass]

Can anybody explain how so many emigrants are sailing from Turkey to Greece? A "NATO" country with a huge Navy is "apparently" unable to secure it's own coastal area and stop emigrants sailing to another" NATO" country.....Yet the EU is going to stop emigrants and "push" them back to the Libyan coast? Has anyone got any idea how the Libyans might react to foreign naval vessels doing this?
I wonder what would happen if the thousands camped around Calais got together bought a fishing boat and headed for Dover?

[spider]

Just land them in Liberland... http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-31151279.html

Job done.

[tomh903]

You can't return them to Libya if they have escaped there to claim refugee status

Then blockade the ports they are leaving from. At this stage, the Italians are seriously considering that option.

[Jetjock]

Her former helideck can be covered in the marquee that's usually used for functions aboard. Only a short walk from the waterline access.

Exactly my thinking. Plenty of space for chemical toilets etc outside hangar. Easy to secure also. Convert the hangar as a medical facility/distribution point for bottled water/food.

There is simply not enough free deck space on the new OPV design to perform the rescue role. Perfect for counter trafficing patrols though. Still, that flight deck deemed unnecessary by some would be useful for both roles.

[ancientmariner]

The trouble is that the decision and possible action chain is contaminated by National exigencies. Such as imminent elections, financial crisis in Greece, and general meltdown in relations in the Middle East and Asia Minor. The potential interlinking of moral obligation and damaging current social fabric is reminiscent of opening Pandora's Box. The crux is those that implement decisions ie Navies ,receive their instructions from politically motivated amateurs who forget to look at consequences and collateral effects. The old adage applies whatever you do , do no harm. In this case we hand it to the UN and a committee from the involved nations.

[na grohmiti]

We may need to think about this project more. People trafficking, especially out of North African Region is a complex business with many actors. Globally 16million people have migrated and 33million people are internally displaced in countries with fragmented political systems or at war. The supply is therefore, in relative terms, endless. Damaging the transport at point of rescue, whether near shore ,or on approach of a rescue craft is part of the conditions of paid passage. Those sent on the short journey between Turkish territory and Greece are told to puncture their inflatables near shore so that they have to be rescued. There is no solution to the advantage of the EU or the migrants themselves. The only solution is stability and peace in their own countries and an ability to adapt to climate change in the long term. Looking at world migration maps many migrates die in transit including in the Americas and the Far East with Australia. The initial action has to be stop the boats and render aid in the areas of migrant assembly before they embark into the unknown.

My thoughts exactly, mentioned on another thread. Long term, stabilising the failed states from where they are fleeing is the only solution. But Africa seems unable to do this, and Europe is unwilling, while the USA would just be unwelcome.

[DeV]

Absolutely, it will be open season for all and sundry and it will become a selling point for traffickers. Just head in that direction and the navy will pick you up and take you the rest of the way. Far from actually sorting the problem out it will compound it. Fair enough provide assistance to those in need of food, water, medical attention, but do it on route back to their point or origin. Once back in that territories waters, sorry chaps your on your own.

Essentially all we will be doing is assisting in providing safe transport and attending to the welfare needs of untold numbers while they are in transit, and have to watch those numbers increase as a result of it. The issue needs to be dealt with at source and unfortunately that's what our illustrious politicians are refusing to do.

You can't return them to Libya if they have escaped there to claim refugee status

[ancientmariner]

Her former helideck can be covered in the marquee that's usually used for functions aboard. Only a short walk from the waterline access.

We may need to think about this project more. People trafficking, especially out of North African Region is a complex business with many actors. Globally 16million people have migrated and 33million people are internally displaced in countries with fragmented political systems or at war. The supply is therefore, in relative terms, endless. Damaging the transport at point of rescue, whether near shore ,or on approach of a rescue craft is part of the conditions of paid passage. Those sent on the short journey between Turkish territory and Greece are told to puncture their inflatables near shore so that they have to be rescued. There is no solution to the advantage of the EU or the migrants themselves. The only solution is stability and peace in their own countries and an ability to adapt to climate change in the long term. Looking at world migration maps many migrates die in transit including in the Americas and the Far East with Australia. The initial action has to be stop the boats and render aid in the areas of migrant assembly before they embark into the unknown.

[na grohmiti]

Her former helideck can be covered in the marquee that's usually used for functions aboard. Only a short walk from the waterline access.

[Jetjock]

Send Eithne. Case made for an EPV as a replacement at a single stroke.

[FMP]

option two just encourages smugglers to cram more people onto flimsy craft and ship them to Europe.

Absolutely, it will be open season for all and sundry and it will become a selling point for traffickers. Just head in that direction and the navy will pick you up and take you the rest of the way. Far from actually sorting the problem out it will compound it. Fair enough provide assistance to those in need of food, water, medical attention, but do it on route back to their point or origin. Once back in that territories waters, sorry chaps your on your own.

Essentially all we will be doing is assisting in providing safe transport and attending to the welfare needs of untold numbers while they are in transit, and have to watch those numbers increase as a result of it. The issue needs to be dealt with at source and unfortunately that's what our illustrious politicians are refusing to do.

[Laners]

Minefields , that'l stop them .