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  • Why when there are existing simulators in NMCI which would be far more cost effective?

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    • Originally posted by A/TEL View Post
      P31 will not last another 25 years. Her hull and systems are outdated and engines are on their last legs.

      The money is simply not available to support 10 seagoing ships.

      I do agree it should be retained alongside as a training ship, similar to the RN training ship HMS Bristol.

      It could then last 25 years easily enough, Just turn her around every year for a clean and drydock her every 4-5 years.
      That is exactly what I would recommend and give an edge to personnel in shipboard training before voyaging.

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      • Originally posted by DeV View Post
        Why when there are existing simulators in NMCI which would be far more cost effective?
        Simulators can only go so far. Nothing beats having an actual ship under your feet when you are learning basic seamanship. Same is true for all branches. NMCI is set up mainly for the Merchant marine, but many of the systems NS trainees would be expected to use are unique to the NS.
        While the ship is there, use it as a floating classroom, equipped with the same equipment sensors and systems found on all other naval vessels.
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        • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
          Simulators can only go so far. Nothing beats having an actual ship under your feet when you are learning basic seamanship. Same is true for all branches. NMCI is set up mainly for the Merchant marine, but many of the systems NS trainees would be expected to use are unique to the NS.
          While the ship is there, use it as a floating classroom, equipped with the same equipment sensors and systems found on all other naval vessels.
          Never been in it but it is a joint venture including the NS so why not (or at the Naval College).

          What use would it be tied up permanently? Take it out and put it ashore and then you don’t have to deal with the upkeep of the hull etc?

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          • we are all going for the pints...

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            • Originally posted by DeV View Post
              Never been in it but it is a joint venture including the NS so why not (or at the Naval College).

              What use would it be tied up permanently? Take it out and put it ashore and then you don’t have to deal with the upkeep of the hull etc?
              A Static Training ship has been a tradition in Navies for many a century. It gives the trainee shipboard experience without going to sea. The ship must be up to date so that the experience is as real as possible. The NMCI gives Academic , Technical, Communications, and Simulated Navigation and Engineering training to junior ranks such as Ratings, cadets and Officers under training. There is also real time training for all ranks in Safety at Sea and Firefighting plus escape drills for those required to fly in Helicopters ( Dunking Course ). All of these courses are subject to examination and certification.
              The RN refurbished HMS Bristol , a destroyer, and use her and two MCV's as static training ships. I would prefer to do that than sell our ships into a market of unknown eventual owners. Ships are NOT routinely "put ashore". The only downside I can see is provision of a permanent berth and dealing with the disposal of the contents of her Sewage Tank. Everything costs money and so would this. The big advantage is the ship and it's systems are real and will be transferable to operational ships.

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              • Originally posted by golden rivet View Post
                we are all going for the pints...
                ratings mess bar open? Can we have a tab like the old days? 50p a pint....
                Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                • Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                  ratings mess bar open? Can we have a tab like the old days? 50p a pint....
                  AFAIK No pints or alcohol are routinely available ashore or afloat except by specific authorisation by higher authority for a sanctioned occasion.

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                  • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                    Never been in it but it is a joint venture including the NS so why not (or at the Naval College).

                    What use would it be tied up permanently? Take it out and put it ashore and then you don’t have to deal with the upkeep of the hull etc?
                    But the upkeep of the hull is about 90% of what seamanship is all about.
                    German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
                    German 2: Private? I am a general!
                    German 1: That is the bad news.

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                    • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                      AFAIK No pints or alcohol are routinely available ashore or afloat except by specific authorisation by higher authority for a sanctioned occasion.
                      OK shut up whinging we'll bring you and buy you a pint!
                      Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                      • https://twitter.com/naval_service/st...95612150259712

                        It goes without saying that unless they retire beforehand, the person who holds the post of OCNOC usually becomes FOCNS, once the post becomes Vacant.
                        Capt Ken Minehane has been appointed OCNOC. Not that he would have time to read this, but if he does I wish him well in his new appointment.

                        Capt Minehane's past appointments include first OC of L.E. Samuel Beckett, and OC of L.E Niamh on her Journey to South America in 2010 and her Participation in the Rescue mission in the Mediterranean, and was twice OC of L.E Orla.
                        Since Joining the NS in the late 80s he has also held appointments at sea as Nav Officer on L.E. Eithne, Gunnery Officer on L.E Ciara and L. E Aisling and Executive officer on L.E. Aoife.
                        Ashore as well as holding the post of OC FMC he has also served overseas with the UN on 2 occasions in Liberia.
                        German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
                        German 2: Private? I am a general!
                        German 1: That is the bad news.

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                        • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                          https://twitter.com/naval_service/st...95612150259712

                          It goes without saying that unless they retire beforehand, the person who holds the post of OCNOC usually becomes FOCNS, once the post becomes Vacant.
                          Capt Ken Minehane has been appointed OCNOC. Not that he would have time to read this, but if he does I wish him well in his new appointment.

                          Capt Minehane's past appointments include first OC of L.E. Samuel Beckett, and OC of L.E Niamh on her Journey to South America in 2010 and her Participation in the Rescue mission in the Mediterranean, and was twice OC of L.E Orla.
                          Since Joining the NS in the late 80s he has also held appointments at sea as Nav Officer on L.E. Eithne, Gunnery Officer on L.E Ciara and L. E Aisling and Executive officer on L.E. Aoife.
                          Ashore as well as holding the post of OC FMC he has also served overseas with the UN on 2 occasions in Liberia.
                          Except the last time when OCNSC then Capt Malone was appointed FOCNS ahead of OCNOC Capt Fitzgerald.

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                          • Originally posted by A/TEL View Post

                            Except the last time when OCNSC then Capt Malone was appointed FOCNS ahead of OCNOC Capt Fitzgerald.
                            First time it ever happened.
                            Who is OCNSC now? It was 2 years ago when the past holder was due to retire, and I think he was in same cadet class as current FOCNS. Old DF website used to have this info.
                            German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
                            German 2: Private? I am a general!
                            German 1: That is the bad news.

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                            • Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post

                              OK shut up whinging we'll bring you and buy you a pint!
                              Perhaps maintaining politeness on here is more gentlemanly and welcome.

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                              • Originally posted by A/TEL View Post

                                Except the last time when OCNSC then Capt Malone was appointed FOCNS ahead of OCNOC Capt Fitzgerald.
                                Promotion from senior Rank to Flag or Brigadier ranks is allegedly on merit, however there are other service requirements required such as qualifying time in your current rank. If you have less time in the Rank than other candidates, then you are at a distinct disadvantage. Your files will be judged by a board of officers senior to your rank and may have only one naval Officer or perhaps none.. Both were suitable candidates and we have to accept the judgement of the promotion board. Setting precedents needs certainty and must maintain the common good. Clear career paths are the foundation of Service organisations and the ambitions of those serving therein.

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