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  • #31
    Sodexho might do deliveries!
    Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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    • #32
      Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
      Sodexho might do deliveries!
      That's what type naval UAVs are for

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      • #33
        The NS hit the 10,000 rescue mark today

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        • #34
          Originally posted by DeV View Post
          That's my point.

          If you privatise the cooks in the dining hall, there is no where for the cooks to go when on shore rotation.
          in most of our bases Military Chefs still work in the kitchens - with Sodexo, or whichever provider has the catering contract.
          RGJ

          ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

          The Rifles

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          • #35
            There used to be, in the BA, an Army Catering Corps, now in this age of doing things better, we have The Royal Logistics Corps, under which bullets, beans,and POL are all part of the supply and delivery system. They have of course killed off old allegiances and dovetailed private catering into shore based units. None of which would work in operational scenarios. Enforced modernisation, by the mandarins , on military/naval systems, is a cost cutting exercise, and usually mean you get less with less.

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            • #36
              Enforced modernisation, by the mandarins , on military/naval systems, is a cost cutting exercise, and usually mean you get less with less.
              Not necessarily , the army here use service companies in a lot of kitchens and it frees up people from menial tasks to perform other duties.

              Outsourcing would free up a lot of people for other duties, in the case of the NS , sea going. Get rid of security duties and employ a force that solely do this as a sole tasking again releasing people .

              The DF need to take a joint step into the 21st century in relation to these type of roles, we have too few people to be tied up doing jobs which could be carried out more efficiently by contractors.
              Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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              • #37
                I'm not sure I like the idea of anyone but the military securing military bases.

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                • #38
                  What's best international practice?
                  For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, which is published, but after discussion with parties in government will probably commence being implemented in May or June.

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                  • #39
                    NS are currently recruiting DE Ops Branch (watchkeeping) and Engr (Marine & Electrical) officers.

                    http://www.military.ie/fileadmin/use...fficers_16.pdf

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                    • #40
                      De officers

                      Originally posted by DeV View Post
                      NS are currently recruiting DE Ops Branch (watchkeeping) and Engr (Marine & Electrical) officers.

                      http://www.military.ie/fileadmin/use...fficers_16.pdf
                      This is an onerous undertaken which must be run by a top cadre of Officers and NCO's. All DE officers should undergo a new entry training course covering drills, All Arms drills, Guards, Inspections, documentation, accounts, including estimates, DFR's , divisional duties and Messes.
                      The DE officer should also have Branch Training in Naval Navigation procedures, Gunnery etc. Other Branch officers should receive Type training on Engineering and Electrical systems as appropriate. Such courses could run for at least 12-14 weeks with refresher elements to follow where necessary. At all costs an overwhelmed, hung out to dry ,officer must be avoided.
                      ancientmariner
                      Brigadier General
                      Last edited by ancientmariner; 2 August 2016, 13:54.

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                      • #41
                        question from newbie. How is the NS and the rest of the service doing for recruiting?

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                          This is an onerous undertaken which must be run by a top cadre of Officers and NCO's. All DE officers should undergo a new entry training course covering drills, All Arms drills, Guards, Inspections, documentation, accounts, including estimates, DFR's , divisional duties and Messes.
                          The DE officer should also have Branch Training in Naval Navigation procedures, Gunnery etc. Other Branch officers should receive Type training on Engineering and Electrical systems as appropriate. Such courses could run for at least 12-14 weeks with refresher elements to follow where necessary. At all costs an overwhelmed, hung out to dry ,officer must be avoided.
                          Civvy to Sub Lt in 14 weeks quite do able given all the cadet bullshit will be removed and the people already hold a qualification that is applicable to the job.

                          I do find the qualification criteria puzzling. You actually qualify for the selection process if you are a refugee????

                          If it's a short service commission is extension of service again based on a maximum engagement contract and if so what rank will candidates have been expected to attain by end of contract?

                          It mentions a short service commission pay rate.

                          Is this payable annually as an allowance or as a gratuity on termination of contract.

                          For what it's worth this is the most foward thinking move the NS has made in relation to recruitment in 30 years.

                          It was offered piecemeal in the past but this now could make it a regular recruitment tool for executive branch officers.


                          I DO
                          Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Graylion View Post
                            question from newbie. How is the NS and the rest of the service doing for recruiting?
                            Around 400 short of establishment

                            Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                            I do find the qualification criteria puzzling. You actually qualify for the selection process if you are a refugee????
                            Have been for around 10 years or so

                            If it's a short service commission is extension of service again based on a maximum engagement contract and if so what rank will candidates have been expected to attain by end of contract?
                            3 years as a Sub/Lt is the offer (they get a bonus at the end of each year unless after 18 months service they have entered a normal commission).

                            Promotion reads like ask RACO to make a submission


                            For what it's worth this is the most foward thinking move the NS has made in relation to recruitment in 30 years.[/QUOTE]
                            Not the first time in the last 20 years

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                            • #44
                              Ir ws offered on a ad hoc basis on a couple of occasions. It could be offered on a two year basis now as part of scheduled recruitment. ..which hadn't been done in 30 years!
                              Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                              • #45
                                Necessity. The NS just can't keep young officers in the current economic climate. Out of one class of ten cadets, who should all now be approaching LT(NS) rank, only one remains. Many of the rest were poached by german retailers based in Ireland, with the offer of €60k per annum plus company Audi A4.
                                Until the DF can compete with that, it will continue losing those in their late 20s and early 30s to the civilian world.
                                For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, which is published, but after discussion with parties in government will probably commence being implemented in May or June.

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