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  • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
    A bit grim really. I saw the smaller operational OPV entering harbour yesterday 27/10. The current poll of AIS matches the early days of 1960.'s with a zero roll call for ships at sea.
    Sad thing is, based on public domain AIS observations, that ship returned from patrol on the 19th, and was out again last week. To the outside observer, it is the only active vessel. All the others are only capable of going to see for short periods.
    For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, still possibly 2 weeks from the Ministers desk.

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    • There is a key ethic in Naval Operations that "those that can must". There was always an understanding that capabilities remained while you were afloat and able to move. Captains must make positive decisions everyday and renew their status on a "MUST" basis. It is always a Fine Day in the Office so status must start from ship's decisions on their capability.

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      • This is quite a read.
        2021-11-26_report-on-visit-to-irish-naval-service-hq-haulbowline-county-cork-8th-october-2021_en.pdf (oireachtas.ie)
        FOCNS & Co not holding back.
        For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, still possibly 2 weeks from the Ministers desk.

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        • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
          Good to see them laying out the issues so well, of course the question then is will the Department listen to the Committee?

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          • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post

            Good to see them laying out the issues so well, of course the question then is will the Department listen to the Committee?
            They have never listened to them before.
            I have been enthusiastically following that committee, in its various iterations since David Stanton had dark hair.
            It keeps otherwise unengaged TDs and senators with something else to do when they aren't in the main house.
            Have yet to see any solid action carried out as a result of something heard in committee.
            For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, still possibly 2 weeks from the Ministers desk.

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            • Perhaps at 717 trained personnel and berthage at a premium, and the MRV and other replacements not due until 2024-2027, we need to dispose of P31,P41, P42 now and offer P51. and P52 on lease for 5 years and concentrate on recruiting, operating 4 OPV's and getting ready for the new vessels and return of leased vessels.

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              • It is hard to see, or justify why ships that will never put to sea operationally again are taking up valuable quay space in the basin. I'm sure you'll remember how Setanta sat idle for years until finally being towed for the Breakers.
                I remember visiting Brest in 1990 and they has their obsolete retired cruisers at anchor outside the Naval Port, but still within sight. Would the Old ADM/Pfizer jetty be any use in this regard? Or even anchor in the channel south of Haulbowline or Monkstown creek? Water is deep enough at high tide, though you'd be grounding at low water springs, but its mostly shingle mud.
                We need to at least consider commencing decommissioning. Remove their main & secondary Armament at least, whatever about the textiles and fluids aboard that are rapidly degrading with time.
                Otherwise they are in danger of repeating the fate of the old Aran Islands ferry Naomh Eanna in the Canal basin in Dublin.
                For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, still possibly 2 weeks from the Ministers desk.

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                • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                  Very good report..........regarding berthage,why is the inner dock full of civilian yachts? The sailors got half an hour to talk to the Committee. What good is that? Why did the Commander ask for a medal for service when his men can't afford to buy their own houses? "85% of fish caught don't land in Ireland". the simple answer to that is: they don't have to. that's what the EU is all about. Plenty of Irish vessels take their catch to Scotland and the UK, if they get a better price. As for the difference in Gardai and Fisheries men getting better seagoing allowances, the simple answer is Unions. The gardai and fisheries men can refuse to set out to sea and they can't be touched. PDFORRA have no power so NS personnel will continue to get less/be taxed/won't go out, if they can avoid it. The DoD is simply following Finance rules. Paschal Donohue is the man to beat, no one else.

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                  • The inner dock is shallower than the outer part (originally designed as a drydock). The Yachts are not all civilian, all are either DF property or privately owned by members of the NS. Some are vessels that have been seized in counter-narcotics operations and that are kept as training aids.
                    I wonder about the medal too, seemed a bit of a red-herring. Fact is this report is a sanitised version for public consumption. Talk privately to members of the Committee and they'll tell you what really was said. Many of the powerpoint slides seem to have been redacted.
                    For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, still possibly 2 weeks from the Ministers desk.

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                    • Thanks for the heads up.

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                      • Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post

                        Very good report..........regarding berthage,why is the inner dock full of civilian yachts? The sailors got half an hour to talk to the Committee. What good is that? Why did the Commander ask for a medal for service when his men can't afford to buy their own houses? "85% of fish caught don't land in Ireland". the simple answer to that is: they don't have to. that's what the EU is all about. Plenty of Irish vessels take their catch to Scotland and the UK, if they get a better price. As for the difference in Gardai and Fisheries men getting better seagoing allowances, the simple answer is Unions. The gardai and fisheries men can refuse to set out to sea and they can't be touched. PDFORRA have no power so NS personnel will continue to get less/be taxed/won't go out, if they can avoid it. The DoD is simply following Finance rules. Paschal Donohue is the man to beat, no one else.
                        Is the reference to where fish aren’t landed highlighting the fact that enforcement at sea is critical as SFPA can’t do it

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                        • Originally posted by DeV View Post

                          Is the reference to where fish aren’t landed highlighting the fact that enforcement at sea is critical as SFPA can’t do it
                          Can't/Won't.
                          Their enforcement activities on land are almost non existent.
                          For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, still possibly 2 weeks from the Ministers desk.

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                          • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                            It is hard to see, or justify why ships that will never put to sea operationally again are taking up valuable quay space in the basin. I'm sure you'll remember how Setanta sat idle for years until finally being towed for the Breakers.
                            .
                            Political orders? Doesn't make good headlines for the local minister if ships are "officially" decommissioned.

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                            • Pushing 2 years since one of the Peacocks left the quay wall. The other was active during Summer 2020, but not since then. Think that may have been the former DFCoS's first command (and where he got his 1st DSM).
                              For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, still possibly 2 weeks from the Ministers desk.

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                              • Originally posted by DeV View Post

                                Is the reference to where fish aren’t landed highlighting the fact that enforcement at sea is critical as SFPA can’t do it
                                The SFPA are working within their capacity. difficult job for inspectors living in the community. No problem for the sea patrols in detaining suspect transgressions. Landings by Irish vessels to UK ports was always a way of shortening delivery/export times. The new rules are deferred to 1 Jan 2022 . Briefly 48 UK ports are designated for landings requiring 4 hours notice for fresh landings and 72 hours for frozen landings. Each vessel has to present a prior Notification cert. and a catch certificate and meet sanitary/safety standards. This is all good commerce and allows for catch sales into a market that wants it.

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