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  • na grohmiti
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    The Cover of today's Irish Star is a sad indictment of the current staffing crisis.

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  • DeV
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    Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
    The present permitted strengths of the NS in CS4 ( establishments) does not reflect crews for each of the 9 ships currently in service. Quotes in various sources indicate that no strength increase was allowed for the last two P60's. Knowing the logic of the mandarins, when P31. P41, and P42 are decommissioned, they will strike off around 150 personnel or more, shuffle the figures, and curtail recruitment. Whatever recruitment is left needs to be redesigned to positive recruitment i.e. Right age group, medically fit, and Leaving Cert. Standard, no interviews or exclusion procedures, take into training and finally select by Final Approval.
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    this actually goes back to 2001 when Niamh was commissioned as she was the 8th ship

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  • ancientmariner
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    The present permitted strengths of the NS in CS4 ( establishments) does not reflect crews for each of the 9 ships currently in service. Quotes in various sources indicate that no strength increase was allowed for the last two P60's. Knowing the logic of the mandarins, when P31. P41, and P42 are decommissioned, they will strike off around 150 personnel or more, shuffle the figures, and curtail recruitment. Whatever recruitment is left needs to be redesigned to positive recruitment i.e. Right age group, medically fit, and Leaving Cert. Standard, no interviews or exclusion procedures, take into training and finally select by Final Approval.
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  • ancientmariner
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    Getting back to strengths and the future, it seems that even for maximum pension years, for those that joined after a date in 2013, the pension earned will only be 20% of final salary. This will mean an exodus, at the earliest pension age, to get private sector employment to raise families and provide for future. It saves money--if you get injured in service there is no hospital and when you retire there is no money. Well done VFM!!.

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  • DeV
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    Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post

    Can't/Won't.
    Their enforcement activities on land are almost non existent.
    They could on 15% but only NS can do 85%

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  • ancientmariner
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    Originally posted by DeV View Post

    Is the reference to where fish aren’t landed highlighting the fact that enforcement at sea is critical as SFPA can’t do it
    The SFPA are working within their capacity. difficult job for inspectors living in the community. No problem for the sea patrols in detaining suspect transgressions. Landings by Irish vessels to UK ports was always a way of shortening delivery/export times. The new rules are deferred to 1 Jan 2022 . Briefly 48 UK ports are designated for landings requiring 4 hours notice for fresh landings and 72 hours for frozen landings. Each vessel has to present a prior Notification cert. and a catch certificate and meet sanitary/safety standards. This is all good commerce and allows for catch sales into a market that wants it.

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  • na grohmiti
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    Pushing 2 years since one of the Peacocks left the quay wall. The other was active during Summer 2020, but not since then. Think that may have been the former DFCoS's first command (and where he got his 1st DSM).

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  • TangoSierra
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    Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
    It is hard to see, or justify why ships that will never put to sea operationally again are taking up valuable quay space in the basin. I'm sure you'll remember how Setanta sat idle for years until finally being towed for the Breakers.
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    Political orders? Doesn't make good headlines for the local minister if ships are "officially" decommissioned.

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  • na grohmiti
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    Originally posted by DeV View Post

    Is the reference to where fish aren’t landed highlighting the fact that enforcement at sea is critical as SFPA can’t do it
    Can't/Won't.
    Their enforcement activities on land are almost non existent.

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  • DeV
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    Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post

    Very good report..........regarding berthage,why is the inner dock full of civilian yachts? The sailors got half an hour to talk to the Committee. What good is that? Why did the Commander ask for a medal for service when his men can't afford to buy their own houses? "85% of fish caught don't land in Ireland". the simple answer to that is: they don't have to. that's what the EU is all about. Plenty of Irish vessels take their catch to Scotland and the UK, if they get a better price. As for the difference in Gardai and Fisheries men getting better seagoing allowances, the simple answer is Unions. The gardai and fisheries men can refuse to set out to sea and they can't be touched. PDFORRA have no power so NS personnel will continue to get less/be taxed/won't go out, if they can avoid it. The DoD is simply following Finance rules. Paschal Donohue is the man to beat, no one else.
    Is the reference to where fish aren’t landed highlighting the fact that enforcement at sea is critical as SFPA can’t do it

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  • GoneToTheCanner
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    Thanks for the heads up.

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  • na grohmiti
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    The inner dock is shallower than the outer part (originally designed as a drydock). The Yachts are not all civilian, all are either DF property or privately owned by members of the NS. Some are vessels that have been seized in counter-narcotics operations and that are kept as training aids.
    I wonder about the medal too, seemed a bit of a red-herring. Fact is this report is a sanitised version for public consumption. Talk privately to members of the Committee and they'll tell you what really was said. Many of the powerpoint slides seem to have been redacted.

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  • GoneToTheCanner
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    Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Very good report..........regarding berthage,why is the inner dock full of civilian yachts? The sailors got half an hour to talk to the Committee. What good is that? Why did the Commander ask for a medal for service when his men can't afford to buy their own houses? "85% of fish caught don't land in Ireland". the simple answer to that is: they don't have to. that's what the EU is all about. Plenty of Irish vessels take their catch to Scotland and the UK, if they get a better price. As for the difference in Gardai and Fisheries men getting better seagoing allowances, the simple answer is Unions. The gardai and fisheries men can refuse to set out to sea and they can't be touched. PDFORRA have no power so NS personnel will continue to get less/be taxed/won't go out, if they can avoid it. The DoD is simply following Finance rules. Paschal Donohue is the man to beat, no one else.

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  • na grohmiti
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    It is hard to see, or justify why ships that will never put to sea operationally again are taking up valuable quay space in the basin. I'm sure you'll remember how Setanta sat idle for years until finally being towed for the Breakers.
    I remember visiting Brest in 1990 and they has their obsolete retired cruisers at anchor outside the Naval Port, but still within sight. Would the Old ADM/Pfizer jetty be any use in this regard? Or even anchor in the channel south of Haulbowline or Monkstown creek? Water is deep enough at high tide, though you'd be grounding at low water springs, but its mostly shingle mud.
    We need to at least consider commencing decommissioning. Remove their main & secondary Armament at least, whatever about the textiles and fluids aboard that are rapidly degrading with time.
    Otherwise they are in danger of repeating the fate of the old Aran Islands ferry Naomh Eanna in the Canal basin in Dublin.

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  • ancientmariner
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    Perhaps at 717 trained personnel and berthage at a premium, and the MRV and other replacements not due until 2024-2027, we need to dispose of P31,P41, P42 now and offer P51. and P52 on lease for 5 years and concentrate on recruiting, operating 4 OPV's and getting ready for the new vessels and return of leased vessels.

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