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  • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post

    No wonder Johnny ronan has a hand in it so. Not a question of getting a new port in as getting the old port out. I presume they'll leave some Quay space on the north wall for the almost extinct cruise liner visits.
    Most likely yeah, integrate that into their proposed plan, but yeah the dominate aim is to get the land bank for development, and perhaps in the next generation it might make sense to do so depending on a host of different factors but I don’t see it right now.

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    • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
      Surely the window for a new port on the East Coast has closed with Brexit, and the majority of our freight no longer coming from or going to the UK?
      Reflecting on your observations then our island needs will have shifted their axis/routing elsewhere. New ports nearer the sea are the wishes of the industry. Unless we are going through an industrial renaissance, we will still have a growing import tonnage and it looks like the multinational based pharmas will continue to grow our exports. The bigger problem is the dark money making habits of developers, buying cheap and delivering exponentially dear, with forever inbuilt costs for customers. The UK was largely a land bridge to be replaced by direct Ro/Ro and other services to European gateways.

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      • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post

        3 hours by motorway to Rosslare, Waterford or Cork.
        the days of clustering manufacturing around a port area is gone, with the improvements in the motorway network.
        Otherwise Leibherr would never have built their STS crane facility in Killarney.
        without going into too much detail that for me would mean triple (or more) the trucks, drivers (who aren’t available), trailers, fuel, etc

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        • Originally posted by DeV View Post

          without going into too much detail that for me would mean triple (or more) the trucks, drivers (who aren’t available), trailers, fuel, etc
          We don't have the truck driver shortage the UK has. Double trailers are already in use here, just not in built up areas.
          Dell built PCs for the EMEA market for years, while being nowhere near either Ro-ro or Lo-lo terminal.

          Some of you guys seem to think the sun revolves around Dublin. There is life, and industry outside the M50 you know.
          Much of the freight currently leaving from Dublin port does not start its journey within the M50.
          Moving Dublin port north the east coast is a dud with Belfast just a short hop up the motorway, and the same paperwork and admin required to get it to the UK anyway.
          Finally, moving Dublin port elsewhere would be a great move for the operator doing LoLo on the south docks, who will no longer have to compete for pilot slots with their rivals on the North Wall.
          For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, still possibly 2 weeks from the Ministers desk.

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          • Originally posted by DeV View Post

            without going into too much detail that for me would mean triple (or more) the trucks, drivers (who aren’t available), trailers, fuel, etc
            also - rail

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            • Originally posted by Graylion View Post

              also - rail
              If the option was made available

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              • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post

                We don't have the truck driver shortage the UK has. Double trailers are already in use here, just not in built up areas.
                Dell built PCs for the EMEA market for years, while being nowhere near either Ro-ro or Lo-lo terminal.

                Some of you guys seem to think the sun revolves around Dublin. There is life, and industry outside the M50 you know.
                Much of the freight currently leaving from Dublin port does not start its journey within the M50.
                Moving Dublin port north the east coast is a dud with Belfast just a short hop up the motorway, and the same paperwork and admin required to get it to the UK anyway.
                Finally, moving Dublin port elsewhere would be a great move for the operator doing LoLo on the south docks, who will no longer have to compete for pilot slots with their rivals on the North Wall.
                Not as bad as UK but for different reasons we do, there are very few new drivers replacing those who retire/give up.

                not for 40HC’s there isn’t.

                Dell set up in Limerick knowing where the nearest port (and airport) was, as did where I work.
                Last edited by DeV; 31 August 2021, 07:58.

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                • Originally posted by DeV View Post

                  If the option was made available
                  The emerging scramble for Ports and Transport is a clear lack of oversight and responsibility allowing private entities to pick all the better choices and exclude others including the STATE.

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                  • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post

                    The emerging scramble for Ports and Transport is a clear lack of oversight and responsibility allowing private entities to pick all the better choices and exclude others including the STATE.
                    Rail is best suited to not JIT bulk freight

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                    • Originally posted by DeV View Post

                      Rail is best suited to not JIT bulk freight
                      Not so - see the Continent. Our current rail system not being suitable for it is a different kettle of fish.

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                      • Originally posted by Graylion View Post

                        Not so - see the Continent. Our current rail system not being suitable for it is a different kettle of fish.
                        Which travel much further distances and have much better developed rail freight lines.

                        yes a daily train from say Dublin to Galway would take I think it is max 32 TEUs off the road but it will also mean more staging of containers and delays, for some business models that is fine for many it’s not. If it is sitting in a container it is costing money

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                        • https://cora.ucc.ie/handle/10468/6293

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                          • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post

                            Reflecting on your observations then our island needs will have shifted their axis/routing elsewhere. New ports nearer the sea are the wishes of the industry. Unless we are going through an industrial renaissance, we will still have a growing import tonnage and it looks like the multinational based pharmas will continue to grow our exports. The bigger problem is the dark money making habits of developers, buying cheap and delivering exponentially dear, with forever inbuilt costs for customers. The UK was largely a land bridge to be replaced by direct Ro/Ro and other services to European gateways.
                            Absolutely we need more regional development

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                            • Originally posted by Graylion View Post
                              Most sea ports are at sea level with access at all tide levels. In cases where there is 30/40 feet or more rise between LWS and HWS then ports are usually LOCKED in, like in the Bristol Channel. Ports in the future may have to be locked in. To get from the Shannon Estuary into the Shannon river at Killaloe, the lock has a 100 foot rise. If it wasn't there the Shannon would be seasonal with mudflats most of the year.
                              Last edited by ancientmariner; 31 August 2021, 10:54.

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                              • Bremore has a tender out for:

                                multi party framework agreement to provide financial and economic consultancy services for the development of a new port on the north of Bremore Head, in county Meath

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