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  • #16
    This is a good example of forward thinking in removing vehicle traffic from Scottish roads...all born out of an academic study into transport on inland waterways.

    I'm not saying this is workable in an Irish context...but it shows what can be achieved by thinking outside the box -

    http://www.greatglenshipping.co.uk/about-us/
    'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins

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    • #17
      As an example of a small port being used for heavy freight, don't Leibherr in Kerry use Fenit to get cranes shipped out? Regarding Sligo Port, a friend of mine who is in the know up there told me that the Port barely ticks along, because it needs constant dredging and is too old, small and narrow, in a location that would be ideal for tourist ships.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
        As an example of a small port being used for heavy freight, don't Leibherr in Kerry use Fenit to get cranes shipped out? Regarding Sligo Port, a friend of mine who is in the know up there told me that the Port barely ticks along, because it needs constant dredging and is too old, small and narrow, in a location that would be ideal for tourist ships.
        By and large Ports are what you make of them. 50 years ago Killybegs was just a name on the chart, now it is a deepwater port. Sligo suffers from lack of investment with fragmented short berthage . They need to get digging, reclaiming , and putting in quay extensions.
        As we know Cork has been moving city to the estuary but something's not right. In the last couple of years we have ships waiting at anchor for berths. There were two this afternoon-a large bulker and a large bulk coaster. There are obvious handling problems and maybe a shortage of berths?
        As regards Liebherr Two gantry cranes were loaded at the fitting out berths at Cork Dockyard earlier this year on to a specialist heavy lift ship.
        Last edited by ancientmariner; 3 October 2018, 16:43.

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        • #19
          Foynes IIRC is looking for TEN-T funding
          "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

          "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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          • #20
            Originally posted by trellheim View Post
            Foynes IIRC is looking for TEN-T funding
            The problem with the European Transport Network model is it's bias towards established Ports within major Road and Rail systems. If you couple that with The Governments Policy of no direct State financial aid , it means emerging Ports will find it difficult to grow to a viable mass. The Killybegs development is worth a study and perhaps be trialled elsewhere. All Nationally important services such as Ports, Communications, Transport, Justice systems, and Defence need to be nurtured by Government.

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            • #21
              What continues to amaze me is the size, and how busy Castletownbere is, while at the same time served by possibly the worst Regional road in the State. Daily hundreds, if not thousands of tonnes of fish are shipped by road from here to larger unitised freight ports, for transshipping to the spanish fish market.

              Last edited by na grohmiti; 7 October 2018, 20:10.
              German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
              German 2: Private? I am a general!
              German 1: That is the bad news.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                The problem with the European Transport Network model is it's bias towards established Ports within major Road and Rail systems. If you couple that with The Governments Policy of no direct State financial aid , it means emerging Ports will find it difficult to grow to a viable mass. The Killybegs development is worth a study and perhaps be trialled elsewhere. All Nationally important services such as Ports, Communications, Transport, Justice systems, and Defence need to be nurtured by Government.
                And thus you see a rail study for reopening on Foynes rail link plus a motorway extension see https://www.foyneslimerick.ie/ and https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates...18-07-24/2199/
                "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by trellheim View Post
                  And thus you see a rail study for reopening on Foynes rail link plus a motorway extension see https://www.foyneslimerick.ie/ and https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates...18-07-24/2199/
                  Foynes is a port by a series of per chances. If I were picking a port it would have been low on the list of optimum sites. There is a long run in from the prevailing weather to LOOP HEAD and into and across BEAL BAR at the river entrance. There is a long run Northwards to Scattery pilotage, passing Tarbert rapid water and on to Foynes. Emergence of local Alumina, Coal Fired Power at Moneypoint, Offshore exploration, brought shipping. The effort now is to continue by development substitution with hope that it will find critical mass and markets. It reminds me of a middle East Oil Terminal with no shoreside for trapped crews. We used to berth there on the single stone berth to visit the childrens sanitorium with goodies etc. etc.

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                  • #24
                    Oh no I get all that, dont mistake this as anything other than an attempt to hoover up TEN-T fundinf
                    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                    • #25
                      Given that French Channel Ports have more or less been excluded from such funding, it is vital that any Irish port in a position to do so takes what advantage it can.
                      German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
                      German 2: Private? I am a general!
                      German 1: That is the bad news.

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                      • #26
                        TEN-T exclusion for French ports is a Brexit thing IIRC as correctly it will be mayhem so thats why Zeebrugge etc got the cash
                        "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                        "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                        • #27
                          Yes, it is feared that the French ports would become over congested as freight and passengers await customs and immigration controls.
                          German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
                          German 2: Private? I am a general!
                          German 1: That is the bad news.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                            Of interest to current and future Naval operations is the adequacy of Irish ports to support general Naval deployments and operations. In the National Maritime policy documents and Harbour Acts together with the Mission of the Irish Maritime Development Office there is no mention of the existence of a navy and it's deployment needs in peace or war.
                            There is also no mention of the need to provide for repair and maintenance of ships or the need to nurture and encourage a shipbuilding industry. In general our ports are in catharsis, getting rid of elements of traditional port usages , abandoning port areas to developers, and making little effort to provide for redacted facilities.
                            In a nut shell we need ports not dependent on tides or lock gates, with unobstructed quay walls with depths ranging from 5m LWS to 12m LWS to accommodate most trades or visiting ships including Naval vessels.
                            I was impressed to see the devlopment of Killybegs harbour with sufficient deep water berthage at 12m LWS to have TWO Cruise liners alongside, at the same time, and surprised not to see it listed as important in Government documents outlining the pecking order of Ports.
                            Our Port development needs more control and oversight to maintain use by all types of ships and cargo including liquids. Care must be taken not to allow preemptive decisions that may exclude traditional use or exclude public access to visiting Naval Vessels
                            We are now in the midst of Seminars on marine Spatial planning. There is always a worry that it does NOT mean better for ships, ports, maintenance or expansion. The Irish register for ships is an interesting document made up of vessels that ploy regularly around an island country such as FV's, ferries, Ro-ro's and some coasters. They expanded it in 2014 to include Jet-skies, other recreational craft, ghillie boats, visitors craft, and most anything that moves on water. The idea is a renewable register every ten years with fines for non-compliance, as a fee is payable for registration.It will be policed by all state officials including Naval Officers and Irish Coast Guard. We pick hanging fruit but close down drydocks, shipbuilding and repair.
                            The latest proposal is to spend E 300m to create a super container transshipment port in the Shannon Estuary and use it as a feeder service for smaller ships to other ports. Shannon is a weather port, exposed to the S'Westerlies, and plugged by a narrow Beal bar entrance. You need to be sure of many things including safe waiting anchorages for involved ships.
                            Finally in the documents surrounding the Irish register there are NO worldwide Irish flagged ships included.

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                            • #29
                              https://www.independent.ie/life/trav...-37639011.html

                              Further consolidation of everything to Dublin!

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by TangoSierra View Post
                                https://www.independent.ie/life/trav...-37639011.html

                                Further consolidation of everything to Dublin!
                                The stupidity

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