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  • #31
    Originally posted by TangoSierra View Post
    https://www.independent.ie/life/trav...-37639011.html

    Further consolidation of everything to Dublin!
    Or:
    Great news for Brittany Ferries who recently expanded their routes from Cork, sailing twice weekly to both France* and Spain. (*France summer season only, Spain all year round)

    Rosslare to Cherbourg with Irish Ferries was 18 hours.
    Dublin to Cherbourg 19 hours Weekly.
    Stena, Rosslare to Cherbourg 3 times a week 17 hours duration.
    Brittany ferries, Cork to Roscoff is 16 hours, twice a week.

    I'd be willing to suggest that the delays to the new cruise ferry has hit the pocket hard, and Brexit may see extra costs on the UK routes, so Irish Ferries have made an economic decision to close a route that was not competitive. The ship serving Rosslare-Pembroke was due to be replaced with the ship that currently operates from Dublin was due to move to Rosslare as the new WB Yeats in turn replaced the ship that was then to operate the shorter route to france from Rosslare. I'd be willing to further suggest that they will shortly offer more routes on the costier UK route. Price increases will merely be put down to "Brexit", and the sheep will pay. They may even sell one of the ships out of service completely. A healthy market for second hand ferries at present.


    Irish Ferries have been operating without any integrity or loyalty to its irish customers since it chose to dump the Irish port of registry for its fleet, which are now registered in Cyprus. It ditched its irish crew around the same time, instead now employing crews who do not work under EU rules regarding pay and conditions of employment. Its newest vessel is due to arrive, finally, from the builders to Rosslare tomorrow.
    For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, which is published, but after discussion with parties in government will probably commence being implemented in May or June.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
      I'd be willing to suggest that the delays to the new cruise ferry has hit the pocket hard, and Brexit may see extra costs on the UK routes, so Irish Ferries have made an economic decision to close a route that was not competitive. The ship serving Rosslare-Pembroke was due to be replaced with the ship that currently operates from Dublin was due to move to Rosslare as the new WB Yeats in turn replaced the ship that was then to operate the shorter route to france from Rosslare. I'd be willing to further suggest that they will shortly offer more routes on the costier UK route. Price increases will merely be put down to "Brexit", and the sheep will pay. They may even sell one of the ships out of service completely. A healthy market for second hand ferries at present.
      I thought the plan was for the New Vessel "WB Yeats" to replace the "Epsilon" (which is on charter) on the Dublin - Holyhead / Dublin - France routes Until their Planned Second New Vessel (which they have an option on) would come on stream to do this Dublin - France all year round with the WB Yeats then going full time on Dublin - Holyhead along with the Ulysses to match Stena's capacity on the route. It seems they now plan on the new vessel doing Dublin - France full time and keep the Epsilon on Dublin - Holyhead route with Ulysses until they make their mind up on the proposed Second new vessel.

      If you read between the line in the Tweets they sent about it looks like they made this decision based on what the freight companies wanted while keeping their options open with Brexit and are ignoring the passenger's who seem to prefer the Rosslare Route.
      Last edited by CTU; 19 December 2018, 01:14.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
        Or:
        Great news for Brittany Ferries who recently expanded their routes from Cork, sailing twice weekly to both France* and Spain. (*France summer season only, Spain all year round)

        Rosslare to Cherbourg with Irish Ferries was 18 hours.
        Dublin to Cherbourg 19 hours Weekly.
        Stena, Rosslare to Cherbourg 3 times a week 17 hours duration.
        Brittany ferries, Cork to Roscoff is 16 hours, twice a week.

        I'd be willing to suggest that the delays to the new cruise ferry has hit the pocket hard, and Brexit may see extra costs on the UK routes, so Irish Ferries have made an economic decision to close a route that was not competitive. The ship serving Rosslare-Pembroke was due to be replaced with the ship that currently operates from Dublin was due to move to Rosslare as the new WB Yeats in turn replaced the ship that was then to operate the shorter route to france from Rosslare. I'd be willing to further suggest that they will shortly offer more routes on the costier UK route. Price increases will merely be put down to "Brexit", and the sheep will pay. They may even sell one of the ships out of service completely. A healthy market for second hand ferries at present.


        Irish Ferries have been operating without any integrity or loyalty to its irish customers since it chose to dump the Irish port of registry for its fleet, which are now registered in Cyprus. It ditched its irish crew around the same time, instead now employing crews who do not work under EU rules regarding pay and conditions of employment. Its newest vessel is due to arrive, finally, from the builders to Rosslare tomorrow.
        The more route options and services the better

        Especially if the land bridge is restricted/causes delays

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        • #34
          The new ship is scheduled for an 18 hour crossing from Dublin to Cherbourg
          Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Laners View Post
            The new ship is scheduled for an 18 hour crossing from Dublin to Cherbourg
            most of the Directors of Irish Ferries are "bean counters" FCA, ACA, ACCA, with the job of maintaining cash and NOT tradition or reliability. There is NO salt water or National pride. It harbingers the demise of most companies when they get loose. Flag out and Crew out.!!

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            • #36
              Originally posted by CTU View Post
              If you read between the line in the Tweets they sent about it looks like they made this decision based on what the freight companies wanted while keeping their options open with Brexit and are ignoring the passenger's who seem to prefer the Rosslare Route.
              The freight companies don't seem to be too happy about this either. There was a representative of the road hauliers association on the radio this morning complaining about this and was wondering which customers they actually asked.

              From my own companies point of view we ship all our goods to Europe via Rosslare and are anticipating a decrease in availability due to an increase in demand for this route post Brexit.

              This does not make sense from a business point of view. Very short sighted.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Bravo20 View Post
                The freight companies don't seem to be too happy about this either. There was a representative of the road hauliers association on the radio this morning complaining about this and was wondering which customers they actually asked.

                From my own companies point of view we ship all our goods to Europe via Rosslare and are anticipating a decrease in availability due to an increase in demand for this route post Brexit.

                This does not make sense from a business point of view. Very short sighted.
                My mother said there is always a reason behind every telegraphed choice. Since this company is short on Maritime Sensibility they may have made wrong ship choice in choosing new tonnage. Perhaps the ships in question don't fit Rosslare facilities. Pity, after the State built up the port to suit ICL as it was then.

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                • #38
                  Looking on the announcement on twitter all they have said is that it is "unlikely" to run in 2019 but they are keeping it "under review" so I am coming to the conclusion that thanks to the delays with the new ship that they can't crew all the ships so are sacrificing the Oscar Wilde.

                  I wouldn't be surprised if come easter time they will announce the the Epsilon will take over Rosslare - France with the WB Yeats doing Dublin - Holyhead during the week and Dublin - France at the weekend (like the Epsilon has been doing the last few years) until they make a decision on the second new vessel they have the option on. Whatever happens I would say the Oscar Wilde time is coming to an end.
                  Last edited by CTU; 19 December 2018, 15:21.
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                  It was the year of rebirth...the year of great sadness...the year of pain...and the year of joy.
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                  It was the year everything changed.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                    most of the Directors of Irish Ferries are "bean counters" FCA, ACA, ACCA, with the job of maintaining cash and NOT tradition or reliability. There is NO salt water or National pride. It harbingers the demise of most companies when they get loose. Flag out and Crew out.!!
                    Tradition has no place in this type of decision.

                    Supply and demand does.... if anything demand is likely to increase so it seems to be a very strange suggestion .... unless there are operational reasons or something more .... let’s be kind and say suggestive

                    Are they looking for something to be subsidised, grants, investment, a PSO on the route etc





                    Stena do a 3 times a week service to Cherbourg from Rosslare

                    According to the Irish Ferries website they aren’t currently sailing to France from Rosslare (could be just the week that is in it or is it seasonal?)?

                    Neptune Lines also offer a weekly Rosslare-France-UK-Spain service (appears to be for oversized cargo, cars etc) http://www.neptunelines.com/article/...uk-and-ireland

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                    • #40
                      You may have seen this website...its anoraky but he puts a lot of work into it...

                      https://www.niferry.co.uk/

                      He seems pretty well informed on the comings and goings of Irish Sea Ferries.
                      'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by DeV View Post
                        Tradition has no place in this type of decision.

                        Supply and demand does.... if anything demand is likely to increase so it seems to be a very strange suggestion .... unless there are operational reasons or something more .... let’s be kind and say suggestive

                        Are they looking for something to be subsidised, grants, investment, a PSO on the route etc





                        Stena do a 3 times a week service to Cherbourg from Rosslare

                        According to the Irish Ferries website they aren’t currently sailing to France from Rosslare (could be just the week that is in it or is it seasonal?)?

                        Neptune Lines also offer a weekly Rosslare-France-UK-Spain service (appears to be for oversized cargo, cars etc) http://www.neptunelines.com/article/...uk-and-ireland

                        The ship they are selling, or have sold, is logistical imbalanced , too many foot passengers, and not enough vehicle space. Decisions on viability of ships is crucial . Cash rich companies, managed by financiers, saw demise of those companies , often by buying "Deal ships" , like Blue Funnel and Irish Shipping to mention Two.
                        We are an Island country about to be isolated to a standard comparable to the emergency. Who will determine our needs and fulfill the demand . In wartime it was a consortium of Old traditional shipping companies and a Master Mariner from Reardon Smiths John O'Neill. What now!!

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                          The ship they are selling, or have sold, is logistical imbalanced , too many foot passengers, and not enough vehicle space. Decisions on viability of ships is crucial . Cash rich companies, managed by financiers, saw demise of those companies , often by buying "Deal ships" , like Blue Funnel and Irish Shipping to mention Two.
                          We are an Island country about to be isolated to a standard comparable to the emergency. Who will determine our needs and fulfill the demand . In wartime it was a consortium of Old traditional shipping companies and a Master Mariner from Reardon Smiths John O'Neill. What now!!
                          Just noticed "Log In " time of my msg. is 1116 which is + 1 hr?? Is there a clock on the site?

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                            The ship they are selling, or have sold, is logistical imbalanced , too many foot passengers, and not enough vehicle space. Decisions on viability of ships is crucial . Cash rich companies, managed by financiers, saw demise of those companies , often by buying "Deal ships" , like Blue Funnel and Irish Shipping to mention Two.
                            We are an Island country about to be isolated to a standard comparable to the emergency. Who will determine our needs and fulfill the demand . In wartime it was a consortium of Old traditional shipping companies and a Master Mariner from Reardon Smiths John O'Neill. What now!!
                            Plus the Oscar Wilde is now 31 years old so coming to the end of its useful service life serving north European markets.
                            It will be interesting to see if Seatruck moves any ship from cross-channel routes to more direct routes to mainland Europe.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                              Just noticed "Log In " time of my msg. is 1116 which is + 1 hr?? Is there a clock on the site?
                              Current site time is 17.42
                              For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, which is published, but after discussion with parties in government will probably commence being implemented in May or June.

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                              • #45
                                Foynes plans LoLo from next year
                                https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...41659?mode=amp

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