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  • If the DF wanted to go back to a Inf Bn overseas (IMHO they should - cheaper (less rotations), wider spread of appointments (especially for other ranks) etc), they would have pull all Inf Gp's (UNIFIL and UNDOF) and probably stop EUBG commitments, if for no other reason that they don't have enough APCs.

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    • Originally posted by DeV View Post
      If the DF wanted to go back to a Inf Bn overseas (IMHO they should - cheaper (less rotations), wider spread of appointments (especially for other ranks) etc), they would have pull all Inf Gp's (UNIFIL and UNDOF) and probably stop EUBG commitments, if for no other reason that they don't have enough APCs.
      Africa is a hot potato ... Lariam and what not so the Leb is the most viable option ..

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      • http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34952987

        Mali attack: Rocket kills three at UN base at Kidal

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        • https://www.businesspost.ie/ireland/...utm_medium=web

          Irish solution to an Irish problem

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          • Originally posted by DeV View Post
            Can someone post the article please?
            Aut viam inveniam aut faciam.

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            • Its paywalled unfortunately.
              "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

              "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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              • Check the comments
                https://twitter.com/raco_df/status/1...132607488?s=21

                Over coming years

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                • An interview with a recently returned ARW officer suggested that the MINUSMA mission would be ideal for the DF.

                  If I'm not mistaken, strength has been on a sliding scale every year for the last decade.

                  It'll be a long, long time before we see another 1000 troops in uniform.

                  What is possible is doing a force protection job with a Coy sized contingent. Would reduce the need to bring in armour etc, assuming it is provided by other nations.

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                  • Originally posted by Chuck View Post
                    An interview with a recently returned ARW officer suggested that the MINUSMA mission would be ideal for the DF.

                    If I'm not mistaken, strength has been on a sliding scale every year for the last decade.

                    It'll be a long, long time before we see another 1000 troops in uniform.

                    What is possible is doing a force protection job with a Coy sized contingent. Would reduce the need to bring in armour etc, assuming it is provided by other nations.
                    The DF is struggling massively to supply technicians from all technical corps for their current deployments. Without a reduction in 1 of the big 2, there are no resources to deploy. A mission as a Camp Guard has even less operational benefit for us than the Big 2 at present.

                    We are a million miles off being able to deploy in an expeditionary role at present which is very unfortunate as it is what we need to retain and attract people.

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                    • Originally posted by Fantasia View Post
                      The DF is struggling massively to supply technicians from all technical corps for their current deployments. Without a reduction in 1 of the big 2, there are no resources to deploy. A mission as a Camp Guard has even less operational benefit for us than the Big 2 at present.

                      We are a million miles off being able to deploy in an expeditionary role at present which is very unfortunate as it is what we need to retain and attract people.
                      I agree with you reference the technical appointments.

                      There won't be a drawdown of UNIFIL anyway imo. It's ideal in terms of being "not too hot, not too cold", the "new Leb" anyway.

                      UNDOF would have to be the sacrificial lamb.

                      Do we even have enough armour to sustain a BN and two Coy sized contingents at the same time?

                      You may be right regarding operational benefit, but the DF are at the beck and call of politicians and optics is the name of the game.

                      A soldier doing long range recce is the same as a soldier standing at a swinging gate in the eyes of a politician.

                      Gotta show that we are doing something with that security council seat.

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                      • From my sketchy memory, there was a time when we could provide APC and mobile fire support by way of M3 and AML 90, as part of the FMR in UNIFIL. The Bn overseas also had its own HQ staff, and deployed the 120 mortar and other heavy support weapons. Meanwhile, at home we had three infantry battalions on the border, all with APC, and there was still enough APC, in each command for training and operations locally.
                        How could we do it then?
                        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                        • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                          From my sketchy memory, there was a time when we could provide APC and mobile fire support by way of M3 and AML 90, as part of the FMR in UNIFIL. The Bn overseas also had its own HQ staff, and deployed the 120 mortar and other heavy support weapons. Meanwhile, at home we had three infantry battalions on the border, all with APC, and there was still enough APC, in each command for training and operations locally.
                          How could we do it then?
                          Not sure if that's a rhetorical question as sarcasm doesn't travel well online.

                          I will assume it is and assume the DF strength for the period you refer to is vastly superior to what it is now.

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                          • The army is 2000 less, granted. Now we don't have the border commitment almost zero ATCP. We should be able to keep a battalion plus overseas, with supports.
                            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                            • Impossible to answer really without an in-depth look at the CS4 at that point versus now.

                              I can only speculate that the requirement, self imposed or otherwise, for specialists overseas is a lot greater now than it was back when the DF were doing border ops.

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                              • Originally posted by Chuck View Post
                                Impossible to answer really without an in-depth look at the CS4 at that point versus now.

                                I can only speculate that the requirement, self imposed or otherwise, for specialists overseas is a lot greater now than it was back when the DF were doing border ops.
                                Well Pre 2012, there was 3 bdes plus DFTC with basically a tech unit from each corps in each. Also overall strength was very close to establishment

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