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  • na grohmiti
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    Originally posted by Fantasia View Post

    It is utterly disgraceful and completely inexcusable that Ireland Inc would expect us to deploy to any area, to fly the flag for Ireland and represent Ireland's foreign policy on any mission, whether UN, NATO PfP, EU or other umbrella and NOT have the means for getting us out again.

    "Sure tip down there to Hertz and come back with three quotes for a car hire" shows the level of understanding and diligence that exists in DOD and DFAT on these matters.

    GS should be pushing hard, as in sam browne on the table hard, to force the issue - no stratevac, no mission!!
    Problem is noboody in (a green) uniform will rock the boat, lest they lose another mission. There was a time not long ago when people could reach the rank of captain in certain Corps without a single overseas trip under their belt. We had withdrawn from UNIFIL, and there was little else on offer. Most are reluctant to see that happening again. We know how DoD works. If there are snags, they'll pull the plug on the mission without a second thought. About 2 decades back L.E. Eithne was being prepped to take over from another vessel heading for UNMIL to resupply and act as floating HQ. DoD pulled the plug as conversion work was being completed in the dockyard.
    As for DFAT, they think in diplomatic terms, not military ones. Getting an Uber over a border is perfectly acceptable means of exit in their book, as they deal mostly in Civilians.

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  • Fantasia
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    Originally posted by Tempest View Post
    Looks like Congo observer mission over for good as more details emerge about the repatriation of the 2 officers a couple of months ago:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2...riefing_digest
    It is utterly disgraceful and completely inexcusable that Ireland Inc would expect us to deploy to any area, to fly the flag for Ireland and represent Ireland's foreign policy on any mission, whether UN, NATO PfP, EU or other umbrella and NOT have the means for getting us out again.

    "Sure tip down there to Hertz and come back with three quotes for a car hire" shows the level of understanding and diligence that exists in DOD and DFAT on these matters.

    GS should be pushing hard, as in sam browne on the table hard, to force the issue - no stratevac, no mission!!

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  • Tempest
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    Looks like Congo observer mission over for good as more details emerge about the repatriation of the 2 officers a couple of months ago:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2...riefing_digest

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  • DeV
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    Ireland to contribute up to 120 troops to new EU crisis response force

    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2...esponse-force/


    Ireland is to contribute up to 120 troops to the EU’s new crisis response force when it comes into being in 2025.

    The development of an EU Rapid Deployment Capacity (RDC) is at the core of the Strategic Compass initiative which is aimed at strengthening European security and increasing EU peacekeeping activity. The RDC will replace the EU Battlegroup system which was established in 2007 but never deployed.

    The new system will see 5,000 troops from EU member states being available for deployment at short notice at all times. The main task of the RDC will be to quickly stabilise a situation, such as a humanitarian disaster or ethnic cleansing, in advance of any longer term deployment

    Several rapid reaction forces are to be established across the EU based on geography with one being on standby at all times. Each force will remain on standby for a year before being replaced with another force. Under the old system, forces of 1,500 remained on standby for six months.

    Details of the RDC were revealed in an interview with Defence Forces Brigadier General Gerald Buckley, who serves as the Irish representative to the EU Military Committee.

    He said the granular details still have to be worked out but that Ireland is expected to commit a company of troops, numbering between 100 and 120, to the initiative.

    ​They will be attached to the German-led RDC, meaning they will be part of the first RDC force to be activated.

    Gen Buckley stressed Irish involvement will not be an “academic exercise”. He said subject to final approval Ireland is “preparing to commit to that battle group, and that the battle group will be the core of the EU RDC so this will be real live active participation. It’s not a paper exercise for us.”

    Irish troops will undergo a certification process before being formally accepted into the German led group. “This is all work in progress but that is the anticipation,” he said.

    Gen Buckley said he believes Irish troops will form up in January 2024 for six months of on-island training before going abroad for multinational certification for another six months.

    They will then remain on standby in Ireland for another year. “It is quite a contribution for the Defence Forces to make,” the general said.

    RDC training and deployment will be highly beneficial for Defence Forces capabilities, he said. “We will also bring a lot to the table. We have a very experienced Defence Forces which has a much more deployable experience then many, many other armed forces.”

    ​The development of the RDC will be one of the main topics of discussion when the chiefs of staff from all EU militaries meet next week. It is understood changing the previous name of battle groups to something less militaristic was one of the conditions set by Irish officials during negotiations.

    Separately, preparations for a EU military training mission for Ukraine are ongoing. The mission is likely to be called EU Assistance Mission Ukraine (EUAMU) and will be headquartered in Poland, with a parallel or subordinate HQ in Germany.

    It will be led by French Admiral Vice Admiral Hervé Bléjean and operate under the EU Military Planning and Conduct Capability (MPCC).

    The provision of Irish troops to the mission is still to be decided but several Defence Forces members are expected to serve in command and control roles as well as on the ground training.

    “We in the Defence Forces are looking to see how we can support this obviously subject to policy and political decisions,” Gen Buckley said.

    The mission will provide advice and mentorship to Ukrainian forces as well as military training, he said.



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  • Rhodes
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    Ireland may provide training for Ukraine to clear Russian landmines

    https://www.irishtimes.com/world/eur...ian-landmines/

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  • Rhodes
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    Ireland 'wants' to be part of EU training mission for Ukrainian military - Coveney

    The Minister for Foreign Affairs has said Ireland wants to be involved in an EU training mission for the Ukrainian military, following outline agreement yesterday among defence ministers in Prague.

    Speaking in the Czech capital, Simon Coveney said: "Hopefully by the end of next month, we'll be in a position to formalize the structure of what that might look like.

    "Ireland is supportive of that and wants to be involved."

    A number of EU member states have already provided military training for Ukrainian personnel.

    However, until now the EU has preferred to provide financial support and weapons for Ukraine.

    It is understood any training mission for the Ukrainian military would happen outside the country, most likely in the Baltic States or Poland.

    Josep Borrell, the EU’s foreign policy chief, says member states could pool their resources more effectively under an EU-sponsored training programme.

    He suggested the operation could focus on logistics, military health and providing protection against nuclear, chemical and biological weapons.....
    https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2022/0...ining-mission/

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  • DeV
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    https://twitter.com/berrycathal/stat...943073280?s=21

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  • DeV
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    Potential new EUTM mission to Mozambique on the cards

    also talk of a new EU rapid reaction Bde sized force

    both have Irish backing

    https://euobserver.com/world/151790?...m_medium=email

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  • DeV
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    Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
    The topic is potential, so in the future, this IMHO should not be just what we can do tomorrow but also next week. Yes we have the AW-139s and yes they do not meet the requirements of the UN for medium lift helicopters, neither does the UH60 (most likely as the spec is based upon a Mil-8 (-17 etc). But is this something we could and should aspire to provide? Is it something that should be included in the Commission on Defence, in their considerations. Given that the minister has stated his wishes for more overseas deployments is it likely that this will influence the recommendations?

    As for "light infantry", we need to get with the 21st century, there are modern light infantry units, they are all characterised by being highly mobile. We don't even have enough trucks to move troops let alone helicopters or armoured vehicles. Looking around Europe it is easy to spot a "light infantry" unit, they normally have in their designation; Jager (or the local variant), they are airmobile, mountain, marine, commando etc. A good example of an integrated "light infantry" is a USMC MEU. Each has around 2,000 troops & airmen, around 30 LAV/AAV's, 6x M777, 60x JTLV, not something too far from what we could possibly field but the difference comes in their air component: 4-6 Vipers, 3 Hueys, 12 Ospreys, 4 CH53s, 6 AV8B/F-35B and 2 C-130s. It is the combination of the ground and air units that gives a MEU its flexibility and mobility, to be able to fight in a modern battlefield. It would probably taken nothing more than a single MEU to wipe out the entire DF. This is as it could bring overwhelming fire power to the fight in the place of its choosing. So by all means we can have a "light infantry" force but it should be equipped as befits a modern unit.
    Modern military that is a super power in fairness.

    The only viable alternative would be Mech Inf based or just more than we currently have

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  • DeV
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    Originally posted by Fantasia View Post
    The FIB are the least deployed asset in any UN mission. Send out the FIB today in one sector and have UN casualties in another sector tomorrow in retaliation. The commanders of the FIB even refuse to deploy their assets for the protection of the rest of the contingent
    Isn’t the FIB only in MONUSCO?

    Understandably to a degree

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  • Fantasia
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    Originally posted by DeV View Post
    These documents show what the UN wants from units under PCRS
    https://pcrs.un.org/Lists/Resources/...5D87221488C%7D


    The also publish what they are looking for every couple of months:
    https://pcrs.un.org/Lists/Resources/...5D87221488C%7D

    The latest one is from November:
    https://pcrs.un.org/_layouts/15/Wopi...action=default

    All we could provide would be a QRF Coy to the Force Intervention Bde of MONUSCO (for the Force Intervention Bde, in other words offensive ops, which may not be politically acceptable)
    The FIB are the least deployed asset in any UN mission. Send out the FIB today in one sector and have UN casualties in another sector tomorrow in retaliation. The commanders of the FIB even refuse to deploy their assets for the protection of the rest of the contingent

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  • EUFighter
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    The topic is potential, so in the future, this IMHO should not be just what we can do tomorrow but also next week. Yes we have the AW-139s and yes they do not meet the requirements of the UN for medium lift helicopters, neither does the UH60 (most likely as the spec is based upon a Mil-8 (-17 etc). But is this something we could and should aspire to provide? Is it something that should be included in the Commission on Defence, in their considerations. Given that the minister has stated his wishes for more overseas deployments is it likely that this will influence the recommendations?

    As for "light infantry", we need to get with the 21st century, there are modern light infantry units, they are all characterised by being highly mobile. We don't even have enough trucks to move troops let alone helicopters or armoured vehicles. Looking around Europe it is easy to spot a "light infantry" unit, they normally have in their designation; Jager (or the local variant), they are airmobile, mountain, marine, commando etc. A good example of an integrated "light infantry" is a USMC MEU. Each has around 2,000 troops & airmen, around 30 LAV/AAV's, 6x M777, 60x JTLV, not something too far from what we could possibly field but the difference comes in their air component: 4-6 Vipers, 3 Hueys, 12 Ospreys, 4 CH53s, 6 AV8B/F-35B and 2 C-130s. It is the combination of the ground and air units that gives a MEU its flexibility and mobility, to be able to fight in a modern battlefield. It would probably taken nothing more than a single MEU to wipe out the entire DF. This is as it could bring overwhelming fire power to the fight in the place of its choosing. So by all means we can have a "light infantry" force but it should be equipped as befits a modern unit.

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  • DeV
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    Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
    These only reinforce my point, what the UN has problems sourcing is not foot-soldiers but higher end resources. In almost ever mission it lacks helicopters, not just transport but also attack helicopters. In times past many were supplied from the former USSR, but this supply has dried up. My point was we should restructure to be better able to fill the gaps and if that is offensive ops then so be it. UN ops are not just all smiles and candy bars. And it is not that more armour or helicopters would not be welcomed for the primary mission of the defence of the state.
    The first link shows what is required for those units, we have a unit but not suitable equipped, AW139 is not medium lift.

    A better conventional equipped DF (or be it still light Inf based) can do more on UN that’s my point.

    I can’t see the Government or the Dail approving

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  • EUFighter
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    Originally posted by DeV View Post
    These documents show what the UN wants from units under PCRS
    https://pcrs.un.org/Lists/Resources/...5D87221488C%7D


    The also publish what they are looking for every couple of months:
    https://pcrs.un.org/Lists/Resources/...5D87221488C%7D

    The latest one is from November:
    https://pcrs.un.org/_layouts/15/Wopi...action=default

    All we could provide would be a QRF Coy to the Force Intervention Bde of MONUSCO (for the Force Intervention Bde, in other words offensive ops, which may not be politically acceptable)
    These only reinforce my point, what the UN has problems sourcing is not foot-soldiers but higher end resources. In almost ever mission it lacks helicopters, not just transport but also attack helicopters. In times past many were supplied from the former USSR, but this supply has dried up. My point was we should restructure to be better able to fill the gaps and if that is offensive ops then so be it. UN ops are not just all smiles and candy bars. And it is not that more armour or helicopters would not be welcomed for the primary mission of the defence of the state.

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  • DeV
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    These documents show what the UN wants from units under PCRS
    https://pcrs.un.org/Lists/Resources/...5D87221488C%7D


    The also publish what they are looking for every couple of months:
    https://pcrs.un.org/Lists/Resources/...5D87221488C%7D

    The latest one is from November:
    https://pcrs.un.org/_layouts/15/Wopi...action=default

    All we could provide would be a QRF Coy to the Force Intervention Bde of MONUSCO (for the Force Intervention Bde, in other words offensive ops, which may not be politically acceptable)

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