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  • #46
    The problem the IDF is currently facing is

    that until the ealry 1990's the country faced a real threat of being driven into the sea

    thats why they were such a good Military- they were literally fighting for their survival

    now very few young Israelis have heard shots fired in anger

    and the threat of anihilation is not as prevalent.

    I like the Uniform of the Guards gang- when is the trooping?
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
      how many tourists come to Dublin to watch soldiers performing public duties?
      The DF isn't half as involved in public duties as the BA!

      The only major occasions would be 1916 Cemmoration (rarely on TV now) and the National Day of Cemmoration (usually on the TV).

      Both of these are relatively private affairs - written invitation only (especially Kilmainham).

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      • #48
        For a small DF, our people do a lot of civic/public display duties/ceremonies. If you sat down and worked out how many man-hours/days are consumed on Guards of honour, ceremonial escorts, funerals, State visits, tape-cuttings, rememberances, unveilings, blessings of various machines, air displays, gun pushes and other charity works, band appearances, public displays of weapons,etc, school tours, job fairs,etc., it takes up a shitload of time and effort. Scarcely any time left for training/maintenance,etc. Perhaps there should be less focus on such "window-shopping" stuff and more on training and maintenance,etc.
        regards
        GttC

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        • #49
          Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
          With regard to British military skill, they succeed because they train continuously and fight frequently enough so that they get to practise what they train for. To use William L. Shirer's phrase about the Wehrmacht of 1939, "they are relentlessly professional", ie, they train as if for the real thing and do their level best to correct mistakes before the real bullets start flying. Which makes the British Army/RAF/RN a world-class military, from which any other military could learn.

          regards
          GttC
          agreed - we have been fighting on 2 fronts for many years in the past decade and we have been involved in conflict (without UN restrictions / protection) pretty much every 10 years or so over the last century.

          Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
          I like the Uniform of the Guards gang- when is the trooping?
          it's tomorrow Hedge - on BBC1 if you can't make it to London - www - trooping the colour

          Originally posted by DeV View Post
          The DF isn't half as involved in public duties as the BA!
          exactly - that's why i said it - we do all that pomp and ceremony - we lay our military traditions on the table and the civvies from all over the world love it.
          RGJ

          ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

          The Rifles

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          • #50
            Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
            it's tomorrow Hedge - on BBC1 if you can't make it to London - [URL="http://www.trooping-the-colour.co.uk/"]www - trooping the colour[/URL
            The Major General's review is tomorrow, which is the first of the two complete rehearsals. The Colonel's Review (second rehearsal) is tomorrow week (with Phil the greek taking the salute), and the Queen's Birthday Parade is tomorrow 2 weeks.

            You can try tuning in to BBC1 tomorrow, but they'll be showing the Turkish Grand Prix

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            • #51
              Any truth in the rumors the dublin bns are gonna have to be re trained as blue hussars ?
              Every man thinks meanly of himself for not having been a soldier - Samuel Johnson

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              • #52
                Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
                They came very close to defeat in '73 and '76
                What war happened in 1976?
                The worst sin toward our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them: that's the essence of inhumanity.
                (George Bernard Shaw, Playwright, 1856 - 1950)

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Barry View Post
                  The Major General's review is tomorrow, which is the first of the two complete rehearsals. The Colonel's Review (second rehearsal) is tomorrow week (with Phil the greek taking the salute), and the Queen's Birthday Parade is tomorrow 2 weeks.
                  sorry Barry you are right - i was put off by one of the Signallers at work telling me all week he is working this weekend on Trooping the Colour - i guess he is covering the weeks inspections prior to it also.

                  The Trooping of the Colour will infact be held on Saturday 12th June 2010 on Horse Guards Parade when The Colour will be Trooped by 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards in the presence of Her Majesty.
                  RGJ

                  ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

                  The Rifles

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                  • #54
                    I'm tired of people banging on about how good the Israelis are (a lot in the US do that) - they haven't had a full scale war in decades and their last 2 forays into Lebanon were less than impressive.

                    Sorry - back on topic. IMO the BA is probably the best in the world when it comes to ceremonial pomp and circumstance. It is always interesting watching the various units perform - it always impresses me.
                    There may be only one time in your life when your country will call upon you and you will be the only one who can do the nasty job that has to be done -- do it or forever after there will be the taste of ashes in your mouth.

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