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  • ARNGScout
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    I'm tired of people banging on about how good the Israelis are (a lot in the US do that) - they haven't had a full scale war in decades and their last 2 forays into Lebanon were less than impressive.

    Sorry - back on topic. IMO the BA is probably the best in the world when it comes to ceremonial pomp and circumstance. It is always interesting watching the various units perform - it always impresses me.

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  • RoyalGreenJacket
    Commander in Chief

  • RoyalGreenJacket
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    Originally posted by Barry View Post
    The Major General's review is tomorrow, which is the first of the two complete rehearsals. The Colonel's Review (second rehearsal) is tomorrow week (with Phil the greek taking the salute), and the Queen's Birthday Parade is tomorrow 2 weeks.
    sorry Barry you are right - i was put off by one of the Signallers at work telling me all week he is working this weekend on Trooping the Colour - i guess he is covering the weeks inspections prior to it also.

    The Trooping of the Colour will infact be held on Saturday 12th June 2010 on Horse Guards Parade when The Colour will be Trooped by 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards in the presence of Her Majesty.

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  • WES
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    Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    They came very close to defeat in '73 and '76
    What war happened in 1976?

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  • knocker
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    Any truth in the rumors the dublin bns are gonna have to be re trained as blue hussars ?

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  • Barry
    Lt General

  • Barry
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    Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
    it's tomorrow Hedge - on BBC1 if you can't make it to London - [URL="http://www.trooping-the-colour.co.uk/"]www - trooping the colour[/URL
    The Major General's review is tomorrow, which is the first of the two complete rehearsals. The Colonel's Review (second rehearsal) is tomorrow week (with Phil the greek taking the salute), and the Queen's Birthday Parade is tomorrow 2 weeks.

    You can try tuning in to BBC1 tomorrow, but they'll be showing the Turkish Grand Prix

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  • RoyalGreenJacket
    Commander in Chief

  • RoyalGreenJacket
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    Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    With regard to British military skill, they succeed because they train continuously and fight frequently enough so that they get to practise what they train for. To use William L. Shirer's phrase about the Wehrmacht of 1939, "they are relentlessly professional", ie, they train as if for the real thing and do their level best to correct mistakes before the real bullets start flying. Which makes the British Army/RAF/RN a world-class military, from which any other military could learn.

    regards
    GttC
    agreed - we have been fighting on 2 fronts for many years in the past decade and we have been involved in conflict (without UN restrictions / protection) pretty much every 10 years or so over the last century.

    Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
    I like the Uniform of the Guards gang- when is the trooping?
    it's tomorrow Hedge - on BBC1 if you can't make it to London - www - trooping the colour

    Originally posted by DeV View Post
    The DF isn't half as involved in public duties as the BA!
    exactly - that's why i said it - we do all that pomp and ceremony - we lay our military traditions on the table and the civvies from all over the world love it.

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  • GoneToTheCanner
    C/S

  • GoneToTheCanner
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    For a small DF, our people do a lot of civic/public display duties/ceremonies. If you sat down and worked out how many man-hours/days are consumed on Guards of honour, ceremonial escorts, funerals, State visits, tape-cuttings, rememberances, unveilings, blessings of various machines, air displays, gun pushes and other charity works, band appearances, public displays of weapons,etc, school tours, job fairs,etc., it takes up a shitload of time and effort. Scarcely any time left for training/maintenance,etc. Perhaps there should be less focus on such "window-shopping" stuff and more on training and maintenance,etc.
    regards
    GttC

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  • DeV
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    Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
    how many tourists come to Dublin to watch soldiers performing public duties?
    The DF isn't half as involved in public duties as the BA!

    The only major occasions would be 1916 Cemmoration (rarely on TV now) and the National Day of Cemmoration (usually on the TV).

    Both of these are relatively private affairs - written invitation only (especially Kilmainham).

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  • hedgehog
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    The problem the IDF is currently facing is

    that until the ealry 1990's the country faced a real threat of being driven into the sea

    thats why they were such a good Military- they were literally fighting for their survival

    now very few young Israelis have heard shots fired in anger

    and the threat of anihilation is not as prevalent.

    I like the Uniform of the Guards gang- when is the trooping?

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  • GoneToTheCanner
    C/S

  • GoneToTheCanner
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    How exceptional do you think the Israelis would be if they didn't have the total backing of the Americans? They came very close to defeat in '73 and '67 and were forced to acknowledge the remarkable leap in quality of their Arab enemies, particularly the Egyptians. The Israelis make mistakes too.

    With regard to British military skill, they succeed because they train continuously and fight frequently enough so that they get to practise what they train for. To use William L. Shirer's phrase about the Wehrmacht of 1939, "they are relentlessly professional", ie, they train as if for the real thing and do their level best to correct mistakes before the real bullets start flying. Which makes the British Army/RAF/RN a world-class military, from which any other military could learn.

    regards
    GttC
    GoneToTheCanner
    C/S
    Last edited by GoneToTheCanner; 29 May 2010, 00:52.

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  • jaeger
    Private 3*

  • jaeger
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    Originally posted by sofa View Post
    The fact that such a small democracy is still standing in that part of the world would suggest that there IDF is exceptional,
    Not really, exceptional in the middle-east possibly but as a senior Israeli officer once said, "It's easy to win wars, just fight Arabs!"

    In all seriousness though, there is or at least was, a great deal of truth in this. With the notable exception of the Jordanian Arab Legion (can anyone guess why?) the remainder of the Arab world's armed forces were pretty poor frankly. They had no real military tradition and suffered from widespread political interference, promotion via nepotism and low standards, all topped off with a heavy Soviet influence in their equipment and tactics. On the one occasion when the Israelis almost came undone, the Yom Kippur War, it was because they'd allowed themselves to become complacent and thought they were still facing a third-rate army when in fact it was now second-rate.

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  • sofa
    Major General

  • sofa
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    Originally posted by ARNGScout View Post
    The gold standard for what? I honestly don't rate them as the gold standard for anything other than hot chicks in uniform.
    The fact that such a small democracy is still standing in that part of the world would

    suggest that there IDF is exceptional,

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  • ZULU
    Teuton Foot Soldier

  • ZULU
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    Symbolism of the ethos of the unit.

    Look at the RM - It's all about a Green Beret and the cap badge, but behind that is the ethos

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  • RoyalGreenJacket
    Commander in Chief

  • RoyalGreenJacket
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    Originally posted by sofa View Post
    I do agree it is one way of "gelling "a group of men together.
    agreed, big time.

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  • sofa
    Major General

  • sofa
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    Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
    i didn't say tradition and different uniforms makes better soldiers - i said it is a fantastic thing kept alive in ALL of our Regiments - contrary to drummies belief.
    I do agree it is one way of "gelling "a group of men together.

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